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From:
Richard Hong
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 14, 1993 8:16 PM
>> I guess we'll have to add Macs vs. Pcs to the taboo topic list, along with politics and religion…:-) Bill, Aw…politics is *fun* to argue! And I'm sure you wouldn't be surprised to learn that in addition to PCs, I'm a Rush Limbaugh fan… An affinity for dinosaurs? Rich
#How hard to convert?
Message #131853
From:
Richard Hong
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 14, 1993 8:14 PM
David, I agree. The Windows interface is app-centric, which is to say (IMO), task-centric. The Mac interface is clearly document centered. But in terms of using a computer (or anything), I tend to think in terms of tools, not objects. Rich
From:
Richard Hong
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 14, 1993 8:11 PM
Brooks, I have no doubt that you are correct that unfamiliarity will cause resentment in switching environments. However, when I've had to "cheat" (resort to buying toolkits rather than doing it myself), I've found that my best source has been shareware on the Mac (some quite good stuff — and…
From:
Richard Hong
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 14, 1993 8:08 PM
Rich, Thanks, I'll call them to see what they have. The lack of discounts is fine; at the PC places, because of the lower volume in programming tools, most discounts are more of a "token" variety rather than the deep discounts from list you see on apps. I'd rather pay…
How hard to convert?
Message #131850
From:
Richard Hong
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 14, 1993 8:07 PM
Chris, Thank you, I shall. Do you have an address for APDA? Rich
>> A major draw back is that they seem to be written in cryptic code stretching from here to the moon John, That's what you get when you let chemists near computers…of course, that's also what keeps commercial vendors in business. Rich
John, Interesting. I need to read up on this stuff; my personal chemistry background is more of the "mix it up and see what you got" style. Of course, that's why I deal with computers now . I may pick up the Lipkowitz book you mentioned. >> I have a…
>> but there will always be some people who want to do massive calculations and spend massive amounts of money Tom, And there will always be salesmen to help them . The only folks I was familiar with were the Gaussian people, and I have to admit that the one…
John, I'm not familiar with ab initio stuff. Is it all proprietary commercial stuff, or are there decent public (academic) programs in this class as well? And how much computing power are people throwing at these problems; is this "two days on a Cray" type of work? Rich
>> the claim by IBM to be a "Better Windows than Windows" and the suggestion that it will run all Windows apps is simply not true. This is not a reflection of HyperChem… Tom, OS/2 is a better Windows than Windows … Windows 2.1, that is . And if its…
#20027-
HyperChem vs. Biosyn
Message #20106
Jeff, Which BioSym products are you speaking of, and on which platforms? And BTW, at what price? Rich
>> I think I saw that OS/2 will support Windows Enhanced Mode at some time? Tony, I don't think that that is going to be generically true, partly 'cause of things that enhanced mode requires of the 386 chip that OS/2 can't deal with because of its need to protect…
>> Your 30% figure is a good one overall but can be misleading when you look closer at the target audience. I think if you counted MAC's in the pharmaceutical non-analytical R&D areas like synthesis, discovery, and other important areas of modeling, that MACs make up a much higher percentage.…
>> I think it would be most helpful if contributors identified themselves! Tony, In a lot of the computer forums, end users do not always identify themselves, esp. since a lot of them do not want their personal opinions to be confused with official company positions about products in use…
>> Too many people still believe "if it's the result of a calculation then it must be right" Stan, You are absolutely right. I've been doing some playing with HyperChem vs. Alchemy III, and numbers on some calculations just don't match up. It seems that Alchemy is using a lot…
>> in many instances (particularly the "small number of large firms") modeling solutions are usually available in some form Stan, I guess my question is whether the chemists in these firms feel that they have decent control over the use of those larger modeling systems, or whether they have to…
(cont.) What's funny to me is that I believe that if you took HyperChem, bought a Dell 486, put the whole thing in a black box (dedicating the Dell to *only* run HyperChem) and sold the whole thing for $7,500 there'd be much less questioning of the price tag. Because…
>> But at 3,000 a pop who can possibly afford it Ed, It's actually $3,500 — and well worth it. The people who really *need* it can afford it (how do you do research chemistry without a lot of money to fund a lab in the first place?), and HyperChem…
>> I have been informed that they have made poor headway in industrial sales… at 5X the academic price , no wonder Ed, Almost any software will be more slowly accepted into industrial circles, who tend to make group decisions and have standards to recommend or enforce. Academics will buy…
Ari, Sounds like an excellent match for your needs. It depends on the size of the molecule fragments you'll be modeling, but HyperChem seems to be fairly capable of handling reasonably large molecules (though "large" is obviously different for a biologist than a chemist ). HyperChem handles things like proteins…
Ari, HyperChem is a standalone product for molecular modeling. It does not require any other software product from Autodesk (or anyone else, for that matter). However, unless you are a professional chemist, HyperChem is probably nothing you would want to play with; it is not a "cute" program just to…