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#Superbase futures?

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#21976From: David MastersonMar 5, 1991 2:26 AM
<continuing> 4. Network support has been mentioned for SBPro 4. Can you be a little more specific about its capabilities? What do I need to know to recommend Superbase for the office? What else can it be used with (its unlikely I could recommend it as *THE* solution, but I might be able to recommend it as *one of the* solutions)? 5. How about Superplan support? Will it get a better Amiga interface? For instance, loading a file (/ls) could use one of the many Amiga file requesters rather than hiding the spreadsheet and showing a two column list. Speaking of loading a file, I recently added a new set of spreadsheets to my directory, but they don't show up in the list (yet they load if the name is entered). 6. How is Superbase and Superplan *officially* supported? Is the Compuserve Amigavendor forum an official support arena? What are the other areas and are they *more* official than the Amigavendor forum? Whatever happened to the Superbase Journal (I got Volume 1 and that was it)? These questions are meant to address both specific areas of Superbase and yet be broad in their implications to the Superbase application developer. I hope the people from Precision will take the time to develop a complete answer to them rather than just treating them as technical questions that only need short answers. I'd rather see something (semi-) official stored in a library here to help myself and future users of Superbase understand Precision's product direction. After 3+ years as a Superbase owner (Personal, then Professional) and still feeling reluctant to *really* use it, I think I've been very patient in waiting for Superbase to really support the Amiga. David Masterson
#21983From: SPC Superbase Tech SuppMar 5, 1991 9:38 AM
The network support will support the Commodore 2065 (?) Ethernet board, and I'm not sure what else. You will be able to hook an Amiga running SB to a network of PCs running Windows and SB and no one will know which one you are using. They will "look" exactly the same. I'm not sure about what's going on with Superplan. I have already been planning to talk to development as soon as everything calms down (we are currently upgrading the PC and the Amiga products, so they are swamped). Hopefully, I'll know something about it in about a month or so. About the new file problem, are they .spp files? Otherwise I don't think they will show. Official support consists of 90 days free tech support via phone and Extended support (which costs), CIS and PLink forums, you can fax or mail us. Superbase Journal is another thing which has been put on hold until everything calms down. Hopefully this answers your questions. Sincerely, Darin Arrick Precision Technical Support
#21999From: David MastersonMar 6, 1991 1:15 AM
Good, very good. I hope no one thought I was too harsh or anything, I was just trying to make a forceful statement in the hopes that it would sink in more. A couple of questions: 1. When is SBPro 4 for the Amiga due out? 2. What will the upgrade policy be for us SBPro 3 owners (will it be expensive)? And now a *big* suggestion: Use the libraries here (somewhere) on Compuserve more to provide permanent information about your product(s) to your customers. This could be announcements, product spec sheets, examples of use, or just basic ideas on what the product was and was not meant to do. This is especially important to someone like me who doesn't check in to this system all that often. David
#22004From: SPC Superbase Tech SuppMar 6, 1991 9:50 AM
I'm not sure what the release date for SBPro 4 is. It's in beta testing right now. The policy for upgrading has not been finalized yet. That info will be posted when it is available.
#22022From: Joe KuzmaMar 6, 1991 8:48 PM
What is the process of becomming a beta-tester for Precision software? I currently work with Superbase IV for Windows, and am operating on a 5 user lan version. I have the approval for the purchase of your developers kit ($500) as soon as I get some hard copy regarding what I'm getting. I'd very much like to be able to use Superbase on my Amiga, and will be getting your Amiga version as soon as it is released. I have written for an Amiga based magazine, and am very familiar with Superbase. Joe Kuzma
#22025From: Rob SalmonMar 6, 1991 10:52 PM
Count me as a customer for any SQL frontend version you put out. If you need to know which engines to support, we use Oracle and Ingres. Rob.
#22013From: Roy PahnkeMar 6, 1991 5:40 PM
I second the opinion of Dave's — —> Use the Libs more! I may sound like we are all ganging up on you, but we have seen support in this forum run Hot and Cold – usuallly very cold. Youz guys have been a vendor in this forum for how many years now? 3 – 4? And how many files do you have in your libraries, how many examples, how many text files to answer some of the more commonly asked questions? About Appendix J (or is it K), like John said, why not just admitt that many users don't have this page in their manuals and type the thing up and upload it here to the Libs. I mean, after all, thats what they are for. – Mean while still waiting for help with my transation. – Roy Pahnke – 1.800.76.AMIGA – Crazy Mountain Software – Casper Wyomin'
#22056From: SPC Superbase Tech SuppMar 8, 1991 11:15 AM
Some examples are coming soon, hopefully. I have some I've done for SBPro 4, and I'll convert them to SBPro 3. Like ARexx examples. As for the manual appendix, that's only in the second edition. We have 3 editions of the manual. I'll see what I can do.
#22081From: Roy PahnkeMar 9, 1991 11:10 AM
Thanks Darin – I look forward to those examples. You said… "I have some I've done for SBPro 4, and I'll convert them to SBPro 3." Which brings up another qu? Will SBpro apps be upwardly compat. with the new SBpro 4? Will our extensive apps have to be reworked to take advantage of the new SB. – Roy Pahnke – 1.800.76.AMIGA – Crazy Mountain Software – Casper Wyomin'
#22120From: Duke Lane/Precision SWMar 10, 1991 11:23 AM
SBPro apps will be upwardly compatible with SB4. It is recommended that data files be reorganized to the new (also PC compatible) file format once it is loaded for optimum performance. It will also read dBase files as well. Am not certain if Form files will be compatible to PCs, but all else will be. There will be *no* compatibility from SB4A to SBPro backwardly, so keep a backup to be sure. Apps will not have to be reworked necessarily, but it may be advisable in some cases, and certainly so if you wish to take advantage of new features. –Duke
#22124From: Roy PahnkeMar 10, 1991 12:37 PM
Thanks Duke – I pretty much planned that my app could probably work under SB4, but for better performance I could probably rewrite some of the code to take advantage of the new commands provided by the new release. I am assuming that files can be reorganized simply by opening them and issueing the "reorganize" command. Or maybe a stand-alone program the with perform the function so that they can be opened by SBpro4. – Roy Pahnke – 1.800.76.AMIGA – Crazy Mountain Software – Casper Wyomin'
#22155From: SPC Superbase Tech SuppMar 11, 1991 9:07 AM
SBPro3 DML programs will run on SB4. Forms don't transfer. Data files , queries, and updates all transfer, too.
#22158From: Roy PahnkeMar 11, 1991 10:55 AM
Thanks Darin, Need we say we are looking forward to SB4's release. – Roy Pahnke – 1.800.76.AMIGA – Crazy Mountain Software – Casper Wyomin'
#22117From: Duke Lane/Precision SWMar 10, 1991 11:02 AM
<Responses, cont'd> 4. Network support will *not* be included with the initial SB4A release as there is not yet a network available from CBM, which we are committed to support as soon as it becomes available. There are apparently some snags in its release, and so our own network version will be delayed until such time as it becomes available. Once a network version becomes available, it will work essentially the same as for SB4W, which is as follows: you install the single-user version, and 'bump 'bump' the number of users up in increments of 5 (i.e, 1 to 6 to 11 and so on), The bumps, or Network Extensions, provide full fiile and record locking as well as other features which are important to network operation such as Enforced Data Consistency in Queries, Auto Screen Refresh, etc. There is no practical upper limit to the number of supported users, with the theoretical maximum being 32,000 users… if you could find a network that supported that many! Furthermore, the user count of these 'bumps' will also increment or be incremented by the PC versions as well. What this means is that if you installed 6 users on the Amiga, followed by 6 users on the PC, a total of 12 people will be able to access files simultaneously on the network (the two versions are now fully file-compatible except perhaps for forms, if you didn't already know). 5. Superplan is not anticipated to see an update or upgrade during the next few months at least. Further details will be made available when they are finalized. Question 6 will be answered in the next reply. –Duke Lane Dir, Mktg & Comms Precision Software
#22118From: Duke Lane/Precision SWMar 10, 1991 11:16 AM
<Responses, cont'd> 6. Superbase is 'officially' supported in many ways, including telephone, fax, mail, email, People/Link and CompuServe. The Amigavendor forum is presently the primary area of support for SB Amiga, although we are now considering the possibility of merging this and our PC forum together into one GO SUPERBASE forum. The final decision on this has not yet been made, and will not in any case be completed much before May of this year. The Superbase Journal had a second edition (Vol 1, No. 2), which we will happily provide you on request via EZPlex. It has been discontinued due to time and personnel restraints, but will possibly by revived by any number of outside companies which have expressed an interest in doing so. No dates for publication have been determined at this point. More info when it becomes available. All things considered, I think you will have to agree that there is no more 'professional' database available for the Amiga than SB, no matter what its or our other shortcomings may be. The upcoming version will underscore this, to be sure, even if only by the fact that it is based upon code which is more than merely 'satisfactory' for a number of Fortune 1000-sized corporations around the world, who it must be said, have access to 'professional' databases by the score. We can provide a partial customer list of our larger installations (100+ users per site) on request. For my own curiosity, is it more important that SB support the Amiga, or that it has an appropriate feature set as would be expected in any professional-level database product? This is not to downplay the importance of supporting an operating environment, but I am curious as to how this relates to your comment that you have been 'very patient in waiting for Superbase to really support the Amiga,' while you have nevertheless been 'reluctant to *really* use' it. I would also be curious as to your reaction to the next release when it's out (end of March/early April)…. –Duke Lane Dir, Mktg & Comms Precision Software
#22185From: David MastersonMar 12, 1991 2:05 AM
Good questions and worthy of reply… I bought Superbase Personal about the same time I bought my Amiga 2000 (>3 years ago). I've worked as a database applications developer with a few companies, so I wanted to see what the capabilities of the only real database product for the Amiga at that time. It was mostly a whim to keep me in touch with database technology. I found that comparing Superbase (and later Superbase Pro) with things like Oracle and Ingres on minis and mainframes just didn't work for me. Superbase was designed to be more intuitive and (believe it or not) that tended to work against me. Ingres (for instance) "felt" more relational because of things like SQL support, multi-field keys (which affects database design), embedded SQL/C interface, etc. Superbase Pro was not really lacking or anything, it was just different. This tended to make me reluctant to explore its capabilities and, as I wasn't getting paid to use it, I just kind of let it slip. Nevertheless, I had a few ideas for things that I wanted to do with Superbase, so I kept my eye out for tools and examples that I could use to make this easy. For a long time, support for Superbase on the Amiga was difficult to find (OSIN via long distance was too costly). Again, I wasn't looking to do any professional development with Superbase, so expensive methods of learning it were out. Compuserve, however, had many useful forums and information that I checked, so picking up Precision information from some forum was little problem. Not much information showed up, though, until recently. Now, my interest in Superbase is in using it as both an application development environment and as a data server for other programs. On the one side, I want to use Superbase and Superplan to develop a home accounting and finance management environment. I also want to use SBPro as an Arexx back-end for IntroCAD Plus for a pseudo-CASE environment. As I get more time, I'll post more. Cheers, David
#22187From: SPC Superbase Tech SuppMar 12, 1991 8:58 AM
Good luck in your projects and ask me for help if you need it.