Educational Purchase pln
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Has C= updated their educational purchase plan since August?
If so, could someone PLEASE upload the price list?!?!
The information in the Commodore news forum is hopelessly outdated.
I need to know just how much $ I need to try to accumulate for a 3000. And
I'm praying that C= dropped the educational prices as much as they did the
retail ones……
Brian,
The way I heard it, there have been many changes at Commodore's Educational
Sales in the past few weeks and things there are currently in less than
ship-shape order. I believe they are getting things all straight and will
be getting out a new educational price list right away. I've seen some
lists lately, have seen that they are right, then that they were wrong,
etc. How would we know which list to upload? I suspect we will see an
official one very soon now.
Betty
I saw a list in Jan with real nice deals, but the list we just got is
horrendous – it looks like C= doesn't want to sell Amigas to any
faculty,staff or students! All the prices as of March 1st went up from
January. Besides this, trying to get C= to come to a campus is next to
impossible, our local dealer will come to the local Ed. shows but he can't
compete with IBM and Apple – they've got nice LaserDisc players, MIDI's,
and all kinds of neat video/multimedia platforms that they demo at the Ed.
shows. Yes, I know they cost ALOT more, but nobody else there does…
Oops – I should save my flames for elsewhere, maybe???
Chris,
Commodore is just getting started in educational sales to colleges. Apple
and IBM have been at it for years. Also, each of them is many times as
large as Commodore, and has more people, more resources, etc. It didn't
have to be this way, but it IS this way. I wish it were otherwise, too.
Commodore is still suffering from poor decisions made back in 1981-1982.
But the current people at Commodore are having to live with that and work
around it. I think they are doing the best they can. They have chosen a
few schools where most of their efforts will go, and then they will spread
out as they can afford it. What else can they do under the circumstances?
Betty
When Commodore came down to Columbia they came with one of those pretty
laserdisc players you mentioned. No problem there.
— Ethan
Well the price changes in the educational program were made so that the
dealers made a bit of change. It became absolutely amazing the number of
"students" that came out of the woodwork.. 🙂
Also, Paul Van Reed from Commodore came to Norfolk State University to
demonstrate the Amiga 3000UX. If I were you, I would pressure your
dealership, the services are available from Commodore.
-mark=
Things are now all straightened out, things have settled down. Paul
Calkin is now firmly in control.
— Ethan
A500P $531 A2000 $1164 A2000HD $1455 A2500/30
$2766 A2500/30+ $3239 A3000/16-50 $2183 A3000/25-50 $2547
A3000/25-100 $3421
A1084S $282 A1950 $520
Monitors and peripherals have gone back up since the February list, but
the machines went down slightly.
— Ethan
Ethan, I noticed on the price list that the A3000/25-50 goes for $2547. And
the A3000/25-100 goes for $3421? Geez, another $1000 bucks just to gain 50
megs? With the current pricing of the Quantum 105, I could almost buy 3 of
them for that amount. Sometimes I just don't understand CBM's pricing
policy.
John
The extra $1,000 also includes an extra 3MB of RAM.
— Ethan
Ok, that makes more sense. Getting the extra 3MB of ram accounts for some
of the $1000 price difference. But you would still be better off purchasing
the 25-50 and then purchasing the 105 and ram on the open market. Of
course, a lot of users don't want to open up the case at all, so would pay
the extra $$$.
John
That's even if they are ALLOWED to open up the case at all. I understand
that Commodore is sealing all 2000/3000 cases now (marking a screw with red
putty or something) and if an average user opens it it voids the warranty?
Is this true? How the **ll is a user supposed to add
ram/toasters/harddrives/etc if that's the case?
–jp–seattle–
John, well if Commodore doesn't allow one to install their own memory or
boards, then they had better remove it from the User's manual that comes
with the 3000. Either that, or they had better be prepared to go to court
if they refuse warranty service.
John
– via Whap!
Well, what exactly are the limitations on opening your new 2000/3000? Since
there is that red blob on the back screw I assume that official warranty
folks would know you've been inside? If you had a motherboard problem a
month later will Commodore still repair/replace? If so, what is the
purpose of the red blob?
I don't know, and hope someone can clear this up, since I know two people
with new 2000's, and when they ask me for help installing memory later, I
want to know what to say.
–jp–seattle–
John –
This subject came up last month on the CBMService forum. It appears that
C= is also putting these stickers on their line of MS-DOS machines. One guy
had a 386sx Commodore, that he got mail order. The machine arrived with
the stick broken and the guy was concerned. He mentioned that the CPU had
Windows installed and yet only 1meg of RAM. Well he pointed out that the
first thing one would probably want to add ram to this machine (Hmm, one of
the things we Amy's user have in common ). Anyway, to make a long thread
short, the guy had a right to send the machine back because the sticker was
broken, but he questioned what he was suppose to do with the sticker when
the time came that he wanted to add RAM.
Dave Minnich (CBM support), told him he wasn't sure about the sticker
situation. Said he, (A direct Snap Quote) "I'll have to dig around to see
exactly why we're putting these stickers on machines that allow user
expansion. Doesn't seem appropriate to me."
Then, a few days later, Dave said to an Amiga owner;
"… If a customer takes a user-expandable system to a dealer/service
center for repair, and the warranty sticker is broken, the only thing
they should be checking for is whether or not expansion boards have
been added. If so, the warranty is still in effect.
At least, this is how I would interpret it.
Dave"
I have not see any other messages in this thread.
Now I know Dave from C= Customer Support doesn't have a chance to get over
to these forums very often. So I'm just tellin' ya what he said to another
user.
I asked this same question last November, when I had a customer who
wanted me to add RAM. Got no good answers at that time either. I wish we
could all get a decent answer from C= as to the exact meanning of having
these stickers and what broken one will or will not do to our warrenties.
But I don't think it's going to happen.
Just my thoughts on this subject.
– Roy Pahnke – Casper, Wyomin'
– Crazy Mountain Software –
John,
Tell them to read their warranty cards…or the warranty page in
their manual.
More than likely, if the case is "sealed", breaking the seal by
other than an authorized dealer/tech will void the warranty.
Don
John: I'm not sure what their Warranty policy is now. After reading their
Warranty, I think it comes down to this. If you install a board or chip in
the Computer and it frys your poor Amy, then it is not covered under
warranty and you pay for the repairs. Now in the situation where you add
the memory chips and a couple of months later something goes wrong, then
you would have to prove to the person doing the repairs that what you did
had no relation to the current problem, which may be difficult to prove. My
advice:
1 Your friends have the memory installed by a authorized service center.
2 Let them install it, or
3 If they insist, go ahead and install it, but make it perfectly clear that
you
will not be responsible for any damage.
I've had enough experience installing memory, boards, and Hard drives to my
Amigas that it doesn't bother me to open up the case. But if I fry
something in the process, I will be crying as I pay the repair bill.
John
– via Whap!
I have not heard about the sealing of A3000s or any A2000s except the
A2000 itself.
— Ethan
Well, it sure doesn't make sense to seal them. But that's never stopped
them before 🙂 Some questions to dealers out there: Are all your
A2000's/A3000's coming in sealed? How do you handle warranty service if
the seal is broken? Are you going to charge an owner who brings you a
sealed A2000 to install some memory/hard drive/etc who has purchased their
memory/hard drive/etc mail order or at another place? (ducking at this
question)
–jp–seattle–
> The extra $1,000 also includes an extra 3MB of RAM.
More specifically, the 3000/25-50 comes with 2 megs, 1 chip and 1 fast, but
the 1 fast is the kind (256K X 4 ?) that can be moved over to chip when you
go buy 2 megs or 4 or whatever of the good (1M X 4 SCRAM ?) fast ram chips.
The 3000/25-100 comes with 5 megs, 1 chip and 4 fast, but the 4 megs of
fast ram are all those 1M X 4 SCRAMs. Your next expansion would be getting
the second meg of chip ram.
. . . . . JimDoc
I purchased the 3000/25-50, took my Quantum 105 out of my 2000 and put it
in the 3000, and then bought 4MB of 1Mx4 Static Column ram, and then moved
the DRAMS over for the extra Chip mem. Even if I would have had to purchase
the Quantum, I still would have come out ahead by adding the goodies
myself.
John
> Even if I would have had to purchase the Quantum, I still would have
> come out ahead by adding the goodies myself.
That's good to know — I hadn't gone pricing chips yet. I will probably
swap my new Quantum 210 for whatever came in the 3000 that I eventually
get.
. . . . . JimDoc
Do you have to buy a CPU to get the monitor at the edu. prive? A friend of
mine has an A500 and wants to get a 1084S for it with the discount.
Tim
You don't need to buy a CPU anymore. As long as you don't buy more
than one of each model per year.
— Ethan
Yep that's true, and with the new pricing they've filalized the "buy from
stock" policy (they put it in writing, at last(funny we acutally make more
on educational sales then on standard sales (WOW)).
BEN Leigh's Computer's
That is pretty funny, and sad. They've raised the prices so much.
But you'll note that the Unix machines are good deals (considering their
list price) and they did lower prices on all the machines except the A500.
It is just peripherals/monitors that really went up.
— Ethan
Actually it wasn't the raise alone that did it, to the end user it less
than what we sell the system for (A500=$875 normal A500ED=813 educational,
those prices are with monitor), but after C= STO fee we make more on the ED
sale and then they give us Coop $ too!
BEN Leigh's Computer's