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#43715From: Paul KudlachMar 22, 1993 7:03 AM
Jack, I don't know if there's an effort to rewrite history or be more frank about it. I don't recall being taught that Jefferson was a slave owner in grade school. But somewhere along the line this has been pointed out. Maybe debunking of some of mythic founding fathers is in order. It just shows that despite their flaws and the institution of slavery they tried to build a new country. As you mentioned in another message, I hope that flawed people are not excluded from government solely on that basis, but that seems to be the trend. Paul
#43917From: Jack L. ChalkerMar 24, 1993 1:20 AM
Well, okay, I'm a historian, but I assure you that MY students knew Jefferson was a slaveowner and I don't remember a time when I didn't know, and the slave quarters of Mt. Vernon are still there and explained as they have been for the almost two centuries since it was opened to the public. The problem really is that up to a certain generation these were taught and were in history books; then, in the Sixties, they stopped teaching history and started teaching pablum. The ignorance is appalling. When I was teaching, though, my students got it straight because I simply ignored the crap. I also taught real African history, not this crazy stuff Jeffries and others are spouting that is pure fiction. The worst part of it is, if guys like that really did know anything they'd know they wouldn't have to rewrite history and make things up and co-opt other histories. They have quite a good one that they apparently never took the trouble to learn anything about. I get a particular kick out of this "The ancient Egyptians were black" stuff. The one thing we CAN know is that it wasn't true because, thanks to that ancient culture, we HAVE ancient Egyptian bodies around to look at! On the other hand, why is Zulu royalty the only royalty recognized as such by European monarchy of all the people of Africa? Answer: like Europe, Zulus trace their royal lineage back to King David. No kidding. And they have as much of a claim as the houses of Europe…. History is fun when you start really looking at it.
#44038From: Paul KudlachMar 25, 1993 4:04 AM
I'm sure that I would find African history as fascinating as I found European and Asian history. Hopefully we will be seeing more scholarly views of it in the future. I find a tendency in people to want to find a link to some royalty in their background and I think this is almost universal. Unfortunately detailed records weren't kept, so who knows. History and historical discoveries can be amusing. The discovery of the Ice Man in the Alps resulted in a few women volunteering to bear his children. The motivation for this type of request would be interesting to explore. Maybe it will be on the next Oprah. Paul
#44153From: Jack L. ChalkerMar 26, 1993 4:14 AM
Oh, well, I can prove that everybody has royal blood. Just assume you have two parents (you do, don't you?), four grandparents, eight great-grandparents, etc. and take it back as far as you can. Using average lifespans for the covered period, you will find that your total of ancestors will exceed the maximum number of people ever born well before you hit the second century A.D.! My ancestors were not royal, but they had money, which is why Charles I summoned them to him and said, "Sign over thy holdings to me and go ye and explore the New World in my name or hang by the neck until ye be dead." So, being patriotic sorts…. We haven't had much money since.