ANI Pro 2.0 in windows?
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Gary,
Is there any way I can run 3d Studio 2.0 and or
Animator Pro 2.0 from within Windows?
I understand the later versions I can but my company has not allowed
me to upgrade yet. Maybe soon…
It was a pleasure meeting you last year at the convention. I hope to
see you again this year at NAB is you will be there.
<< r2 under windows >>
the issue is DPMI compliancy. The Yost Group designed DPMI compliancy
into R3. This is an important feature for Windows.
You'll have to ask Nik Grant the Ani Pro/Win question, but re 3DSr2, it will
not run inside of Windows.
Re NAB, I won't be there… but I'll be at Siggraph in
Orlando/July!
– G
Is there any way I can run 3d Studio 2.0 and or Animator Pro 2.0 from
within Windows? Don't mean to but in, but I thought latest version
of Animator Pro was R1.3. There an "Explorer" Windows version (much
like original Animator), but I haven't had much luck running Ani in
Windows. -dave
Dave's comment is correct: the most recent version of Animator Pro is not 2.0
but 1.3, which is a DOS program but can be run from within Windows.
Nik
Hi Nick,
I'm a CAD journalist in the UK and I wonder if you could answer
something…. At all the Autodesk press briefings I have been to all the
Autodesk guys and gals have been using Powerpoint for their demonstrations.
At one point, around the launch of AniPro, all slides and rolling
demos/ graphics were done on Autodesk products like AniPro! In fact we were all
told how Animator Pro was great at creating presentations. So, What's up? Has
Autodesk standardised its presentations on Powerpoint? Isn't AniPro up to the
job? If so, shouldn't Autodesk use its own products?
Is there any development work going in on Animator Pro? If so when
are we going to see a Windows version – it is the way forward I'm told (by
Autodesk). If there isn't any development work going on then when is it going
to go?
Martyn Day, Editor CADdesk Magazine (UK)
Martyn,
Good group of questions. I have never been to an Autodesk briefing, alas, so I
don't know what goes on there.
We use PowerPoint for our presentations. This choice usurped AAPro when our
one of the departments within Autodesk was chartered to standardize on a group
of products for our company to use. One of their choices was PowerPoint. I
don't know why that decision was made, presumably PowerPoint is much more a
presentation tool, AAPro is more a creative tool.
Future development for AAPro? Yes, we're working on it. I can't tell if it's
going to be a Windows version or not, although that was very high up on the
wishlist for AAPro. It's possible that we have an official spokesperson at
Autodesk who has the story. I can find out if you like.
Nik
Hi Nik,
Thanks for the quick answers. Ummmmmm.. still seems weird that Autodesk
should use someone elses software for that…it's a bit like you guys loading
up AutoCAD drawings into Intergraphs MicroStation to screen grab them or
something!
More of a creative tool? You needn't play back the images on AniPro just
create them and play them back with the software Autodesk supplies. At the
launch the whole presentation was done in Anipro – it was the same for 3D
Studio2…..it seems to have died a death….probably with this corporate
decision thing.
If you could find out some contact names and Compuserve addresses that
would be great.
Martyn
"If you could find out some contact names and Compuserve addresses that would
be great"
I'll check into this for you.
Nik
We use PowerPoint for our presentations. This choice usurped AAPro when our
one of the departments within Autodesk was chartered to standardize on a group
of products for our company to use. One of their choices was PowerPoint. I
don't know why that decision was made, presumably PowerPoint is much more a
presentation tool, AAPro is more a creative tool.
Nik; Just wanted to say that we use Ani for presentations over Powerpoint.
Found that slides are far more entertaining (and easier to sit through) if you
have even the slightest activity on the screen. ANIPLAY's scripting makes the
"slide/movie" show a snap. -dave
I have not used Powerpoint myself, so it is rather unfair of me to compare. I
am a great fan of Animator.
Last company meeting (we have them quarterly or so) there were several
presentations using Animator Pro rather than Powerpoint. Could be that a few
folks recognize the irony of having Powerpoint presentations at a company which
makes great graphics software!
Nik
/* Last company meeting (we have them quarterly or so) there were several
presentations using Animator Pro rather than Powerpoint. Could be that a few
folks recognize the irony of having Powerpoint presentations at a company which
makes great graphics software! */
I have to admit, it took me by surprise that Adesk standardized on PowerPuff.
We had a situation last year at a NAAUG roadshow where the PP presentation was
missing. I suggested we draft up a quick replacement in ANI and certain Adesk
individuals laughed. I sometimes think the employees of Adesk don't understand
the power of their own tools. -dave
>> it took me by surprise that Adesk standardized on PowerPuff.
Didn't Adesk have a tool for business graphics about a year ago? I remember my
dealer showing me something with titling and basic wipes. With AniPro being
such a strong tool, I too was surprised to see PP everywhere at Autodesk
University!
>> it took me by surprise that Adesk standardized on PowerPuff. Didn't Adesk
have a tool for business graphics about a year ago? I remember my dealer
showing me something with titling and basic wipes. With AniPro being such a
strong tool, I too was surprised to see PP everywhere at Autodesk University!
Well doggone it, we'll just have to get ANI up there on the overhead for more
presentation stuff! 🙂 -dave
Dave,
Apart from the rather ironic nature of all this, I think there is
something wrong at the heart of the operation. As a CAD journalist I visit
loads of Autodesk dealers and more often than not I find myself in a room full
of computers running some of the most powerful visualisation tools known to man
(3D Studio, Ani Pro etc) only to be given an overview of the company using an
OHP and a felt tip pen! That's right guys! you show em how its done……..
Martyn, Editor, CADdesk Magazine
/*
Apart from the rather ironic nature of all this, I think there is
something wrong at the heart of the operation. As a CAD journalist I visit
loads of Autodesk dealers and more often than not I find myself in a room full
of computers running some of the most powerful visualisation tools known to man
(3D Studio, Ani Pro etc) only to be given an overview of the company using an
OHP and a felt tip pen! That's right guys! you show em how its done…….. */
This met with strong approval at the recent NAAUG board meeting as well. We
hope to prove something to Autodesk about the strength of their own software
(to those who need to know it). I appreciate your support on this. And at times
I can't believe the situation itself. It's like hearing that Lotus uses Excel
to do their spreadsheets. -dave
Dave,
I'm afraid I must disagree with your premise. Animator Pro is not a very good
presentation program. It is an EXCELLENT tool for producing source graphics
to feed to real presentation tools such as Powerpoint, Compel, Grasp, etc.
Yes, I know all about scripting, Poco, and I even beta tested Show'Em. This
isn't so much like Lotus using Excel for spreadsheets but more like Lotus
using Computer Associates for accounting. A 1-2-3 spreadsheet can handle
simple accounting but it is not a true A/R,G/L program like Computer
Associates. The plain fact of the matter is that you are trying to turn a
screw with a ball peen hammer. With sufficient effort you might do it; but
why bother?
You may have had a good argument while Graphic Impact was alive. That program
may have developed into a fitting challenger to Powerpoint but it never got
the chance to grow up.
What I want to see now is every resource being poured into 3D Studio,
Animator Pro (as a 2D animation and painting tool), AutoCAD, and their
primary support programs such as IPAS, ADE, and Designer. Let other companies
pick up the secondary support programs.
The last thing that I want to see is an Autodesk word processor, Autodesk
PIM, or God forbid an Autodesk DOS utilities program <G>.
Steven
/* I'm afraid I must disagree with your premise. Animator Pro is not a very
good presentation program. It is an EXCELLENT tool for producing source
graphics to feed to real presentation tools such as Powerpoint, Compel, Grasp,
etc. */
Hi Steven! I welcome disagreements, but I've used Animator Pro for too many
effective presentations to know that, based on the resourcefulness and comfort
level of the end-user, Animator Pro can be an awesome presentation tool which
can blow Powerpoint away. Several folks at Adesk Mmedia know this too and are
also amazed that their internal comrades don't see this.
/* Yes, I know all about scripting, Poco, and I even beta tested Show'Em. This
isn't so much like Lotus using Excel for spreadsheets but more like Lotus using
Computer Associates for accounting. A 1-2-3 spreadsheet can handle simple
accounting but it is not a true A/R,G/L program like Computer Associates. The
plain fact of the matter is that you are trying to turn a screw with a ball
peen hammer. With sufficient effort you might do it; but why bother? */
I don't know if there are any plain facts about this issue. Sure, Powerpoint
comes with some clip art (well, clip images… some of the images are pretty
sad), some easy up and go routines and transitional "animation" capabilities,
but it also relies as heavily as any other package on external image generation
to look nice. BROWSE can be as effective a tool as anything PP has to view a
slide show. A lot of the practicality of the tools depends too on the type of
presentation one is doing. For those who get into the typical hum drum bullet
sheet which stays up on the screen for 10 minutes at a time, it works, sure.
But I can keep people's attention span (to the point where I almost have to
compete with the "animated" slide) far longer with AniPro presentations.
Perhaps I can upload you a typical example of an animated slide on Porsche
sales to explane the difference. Motion will almost always beat out a still.
/* You may have had a good argument while Graphic Impact was alive. That
program may have developed into a fitting challenger to Powerpoint but it never
got the chance to grow up. */
There are plenty of resources out there still, if users are looking at
libraries of images. Little devices like the Logitech Photoman and others make
Animator unlimited, and Imagecels and Texture Universe (adesk) show a continued
image resource future for the product too.
Quick images lose people's attention quickly. Images which took longer to
generate keep people's attention longer. How important is the audience's
attention span? 🙂
If I'm trying to make a point about something, I like the audience to get a
sense of time passing, not dragging. I've used PP and I've watched PP
presentations and I probably gl;ance at the screen for no more than 5 seconds
per slide. But I have been glued to Ani animated slides for a full minute.
I don't think you're wrong, Steven. For your purposes, PP might well be a far
better tool for the types of presentations you do. For the types I do, motion
is far more effective. A picture is worth 1000 words. A movie is worth 1000000.
If Star Wars had been done as a slide show instead of a movie, I don't think it
would have had the success it did. And presentations usually have an
"entertainment" value to them.
/* primary support programs such as IPAS, ADE, and Designer. Let other
companies pick up the secondary support programs. */
For some companies (like mine), the presentation of an idea is as important as
the idea itself. Call up the sample flics in Animator (especially the one on
combustion engine done from acad slides)… this "animated slide" works far
better than anything I could present in PP for the same idea.
/* The last thing that I want to see is an Autodesk word processor, Autodesk
PIM, or God forbid an Autodesk DOS utilities program <G>. */
I agree… and I'm not looking for a redundancy either. But I don't see
redundancy in Ani and PP… and there are many out there who are keeping our
fingers crossed that Adesk does not see this either. For our purposes, PP falls
way short of the "process" presentations we do. -dave