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#94123From: John TissavaryMar 29, 1994 2:51 AM
Don, let me ask you something: does this statement ==> (all?) look like an assumption? If the exact use and meaning of a question mark has changed in the English language since I went to school, I'll be gratefull for the update. Otherwise the iference (you made that one twice in a row) that I made an assumption is _false_, and kind of pisses me off. Please re-read my message and note the syntax.
#94208From: Don LandisMar 29, 1994 12:44 PM
Hey, John, Cool off! don't get pissed off! People, like myself read these messages and will get the idea that almost all the Adp. cards will work > 1G. drives. This is not so unless one rigs them with 3rd party drivers or in some cases optional bios. They do indeed make a few cards that do and you happened to have these. I happen to have several here I carry for customers and since I'm in the business of selling these I have to be aware of what is possible and what is not. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings on this but I have been on the receiving end of false claims and have had to return product because a salesman misled me. Like "well it does but you have to buy COREL SCSI PRO." Have you ever bought that? I found out after the fact that to get the Adaptec card to go greater than 1G. I'd have to buy a $495 software pack for a $99 card. And, I didn't mean to jump on anybody who supports that product either. The 1542 does by itself and only costs $300. And this is what pisses me off. Misleading statements by sales people. I certainly didn't intend to piss you off. I only wanted to point out, in your uncertainty, that Adaptec does indeed make cards that do not support the > 1 G. drives. And that to be sure one needs to be specific as to the specs on each card. I knew that you were unsure and I respect that you are not the type of individual that would arbitrarily use terms like never, all, unless you were very sure of yourself. Let's get on with our work, I know I have to and if you feel my suggestions are wasting time here then I respect your opinion and will refrain from jumping in in the future. I could have had another 16 megs of ram for what I spent on threads like this in the past year! Now I'm beginning to wonder about my business sanity! <G> See ya! Don
#94297From: John TissavaryMar 29, 1994 5:25 PM
I don't wish, for one second, to imply that your input isn't welcome or worthwhile, I just didn't want to be cannonized for spreading false information when I thought I communicated well enough to make it understood that I didn't know if "all" adaptec boards could boot >1gig drives. Anyway, that's cleared up, and we can go on to bigger and better things, like throwing this IDE hard drive out the window <g> (180 megs of lost allocation chaines!!!! – I backed the network up hours before it happened, but a few key files are missing for some bizarre reason). John Tissavary (La Luna cie)
#94407From: M. G. BATCHELORMar 30, 1994 12:44 AM
Well my 1542B will support > 1GB, but I wouldn't ever want it to for reasons of speed, large potential disasters, backups, etc.. Can't the people with these problems just set up a small boot partition for system files, DOS, batch files, etc., and then set up large workspace partitions up to 1GB ? The drive will definitely perform much better with smaller partitions and tend to have less catastophic failures anyway. << (180 megs of lost allocation chaines!!!! – I backed the network up hours before it happened, but a few key files are missing for some bizarre reason). >> Oops ! Your arse is bared after all. I konw it's not funny though. Unfortunately, by the time DOS reports the FAT problems, it's probably too late – and a recent backup likely would be affected by the yet to be reported problems. That's why I adopted the somewhat strange concept of *not* backing up so frequently or doing a second backup not so frequently – the odds are greater that when DOS reports something wrong (late), you might just have not backed up recently enough that the backup is good. Between the 2 backup sets, you might can piece everything back together again. Strange logic from an even stranger person. <g> BILL
#94427From: John TissavaryMar 30, 1994 4:28 AM
Actually, since I can pack 10 gigs on each tape, I only do complete network backups, and I've got the last 20 or so (!) on tape. I could peice the whole thing back together at once, but I figure when I run into a problem, I'll track it down, then find the file on tape. Things seem to be running smoothly, now. I ran a 1.2gig (tiny bit >1gig <g>) HD off a 1542B for a couple of months and had absolutely no problems. The thing cooked for an ISA controller. John Tissavary (La Luna cie)
#94480From: M. G. BATCHELORMar 30, 1994 9:56 AM
<< Things seem to be running smoothly, now. >> Good. Glad to hear you got everything put back together. << ran a 1.2gig (tiny bit >1gig <g>) HD off a 1542B for a couple of months and had absolutely no problems. The thing cooked for an ISA controller. >> It's fine. I've used it for a number of years, since they first came out. I used to always have to have the latest hardware / software the day they became available – but I guess I've learned it's usually better to wait until at least the second or third revision and let your system be stable for a while……….'course not having as much money as I once did could be part of the reason too <g>. If it works o.k., it's better than a lot of junk out there that doesn't work at all – reliably. BILL
#94553From: SyndesisMar 30, 1994 1:07 PM
Since mainframe days, there's a well-known, uhm, maybe not so-well-known scheme for maintaining backups on a rotating "grandfather-father-son" basis such that you'll always have a stream of complete backups at 3 month intervals, as well as very recent backups.
#94562From: Mar 30, 1994 1:54 PM
John, you aren't old enough to remember mainframe backups, are you? <g> Epoch backups, 0-level dumps, Tower of Hanoi tape rotation schemes, etc?
#94567From: M. G. BATCHELORMar 30, 1994 2:06 PM
I am. <g> (:() BILL
#94581From: SyndesisMar 30, 1994 4:16 PM
It's not a question of how old I am, it's how early I got started. 🙂
#94736From: Mar 31, 1994 10:23 AM
Of course, I'm not implying that I am old enough, either, but I must have read about it somewhere. Yea, that's it. Right.
#94756From: SyndesisMar 31, 1994 11:13 AM
Well, I think I first touched a timeshare teletype in seventh grade, in 1975 or 1976. But by 79, I was rewriting the system software, and swiped my first "sysop" password in '80. Ah, youth, I learned my lesson and returned to the path of righteousness. 🙂 And in '81, at college, I was beating out grad students for programming jobs on campus. In '82, I wrote up a recommendation that my department go with the DEC Rainbow instead of the IBM PC, since it could run both CP/M and MS-DOS. Ah, youth again – no wonder I ended up on an Amiga. 🙂
#94661From: John K. JordanMar 30, 1994 10:27 PM
>>"Can't the people with these problems just set up a small boot partition for system files, DOS, batch files, etc., and then set up large workspace partitions up to 1GB ? The drive will definitely perform much better with smaller partitions… Bill, just FYI, the problem is not in the logical partitioning, but in access to the drive at a lower level. Without support for > 1 gig in the controller bios, FDISK can see ONLY 1 gig, so all space over 1 gig cannot be partitioned into anything – the extra space just sits there unaccessable. In my case, I have an upgrade for my 1742 controller on the way. I agree with your suggestion of a small partition for the part of the disk that gets the most abuse. J K J
#94793From: M. G. BATCHELORMar 31, 1994 1:24 PM
A good point….<g>…….sorry.
#94465From: Don LandisMar 30, 1994 9:33 AM
I find that running my IDE's 24 hours per day seem to get 2-3 years out of them. I'm just now replacing my Seagate 1239A's all six of them. Bought them when they were about $600 ea. The Conner 545 Meg seems to be a good replacement, 8 ms. The Seagates are still OK, just small and a little slow. I've been selling them used for $100. Which brand are you having trouble with? I collect info like that. <G>
#94593From: John TissavaryMar 30, 1994 4:58 PM
The drive that acted up the other day is a year old Quatum 214meg drive that sits in my Windows/render slave machine. It's never done this before (except when Lantastic did a weird number a few months ago), so I don't know if it's hardware related. I know the IDE controller I was using had faulty floppy control, so maybe its HD support was the problem. I swapped it for a very fast Quickpath controller, and haven't had a repeat, yet. I also did a surface check, and there were no problems detected there. John Tissavary (La Luna cie)
#94508From: David WhiteMar 30, 1994 10:52 AM
John; I saw you spend a lot of time with Rapture and the XAOS TOOLS guys, do you have an opinion of the program. It kind of looked like Pandemonium on the cheap. Opionion? Comment? Dave DPS
#94594From: John TissavaryMar 30, 1994 4:58 PM
I did spend some time there, didn't I <g>? I was very impressed with what I saw of it. It's definitely only a small part of Pandemonium, but that will change over time. They plan on porting most/all of Pandemonium's effects to IPAS. What most impressed me about Rapture, besides its beautiful interface (now THAT'S IPAS!!!!!!!!!!) was the level of control one has over the brushes, and the super quality of the output. It was tough to judge the product, because the build we saw had so many features not yet enabled, but I think this is going to be hot. The fact that one can produce one's own brushes and apply them in so many ways will change the look of my animations for the better when I get the product. I believe it will allow me to fine tune, and whack out my animations and still images the way I want to, and eliminate the hard/clean CGI "look" when appropriate. John Tissavary (La Luna cie)
#94643From: Gus GrubbaMar 30, 1994 9:13 PM
>> besides its beautiful interface (now THAT'S IPAS!!!!!!!!!!) … John, All of the new IPAS3 stuff has similar (maybe not so full of options) interfaces. The reason the old IPAS (2) had that weird looking GUI was because of the restrictions imposed by the IPAS 2 kit. I'm not saying the Rapture interface isn't great, it is, but it's just like all of the new stuff coming out. It's just that you haven't seen any of the other stuff.
#94692From: John TissavaryMar 31, 1994 3:42 AM
You're right, I haven't seen much of what's coming out. Actually, I was refering to the aesthetics of the interface (pretty shallow, eh?), which I find nicer than the few IPAS3 things I have seen. As far as functionality goes, I think Rapture is on course, and I am hoping/expecting that other developers give us the same kind of power and control over our effects. John Tissavary (La Luna cie)
#94360From: John K. JordanMar 29, 1994 9:52 PM
Thanks, Don, (and others too) for taking your time to respond to my question about using my 1.7 gig drive with the Adapetec 1742a EISA controller. After some research, I found the following on Adeptec's bulletin board (408-945-2550): Q: Why can't I use the entire size of my hard drive that is rated over 1 Gigabyte in capacity, when I am using DOS? A: DOS 4.x and above has a limitation of 1024 cylinders per physical drive. This limitation, on current disk controllers and SCSI HAs that utilize the standard of 1 Megabyte per cylinder, leads to a 1 Gigabyte limit. Only our 1542B/GIG and 174xA (with special BIOS in Enhanced Mode using ASW-C174 v3.1) have the ability to break this limit. If your 154xB has a BIOS part number of 420418-00D or greater, or if your 174xA has a BIOS part number of 450216-00-A or greater, then you already have support for more than 1 Gigabyte. Refer to your User's Manual addendum for help on setting up this feature. Alternatively, users who need this support can download the latest 154xB or 174x microcode/BIOS files from this BBS for use with an EPROM burner. The EPROMs needed are 27C128 at 200ns for the 154xB and 150ns for the 174x. 154xC boards come ready to support hard drives larger that 1 Gigabyte. Tbe bottom of my story is that I needed both a controller bios upgrade (which Adaptec is sending out at no charge), and an updated EISA !adp0002.cfg file (which I downloaded from the BBS in the form of the file ASWC174.EXE) to set the > 1 gig option. So that's that!
#94674From: Don LandisMar 30, 1994 11:48 PM
Thanks, John, for the excellent documentation on this issue.