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#C=UK buy-out

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#186602From: Alex BakerFeb 25, 1995 2:21 PM
Unless C= bought the Atari U.K. division, the story also errs in that respect also. Atari marketed the ST series in competition with C='s Amiga. However, they are still an independent business from the Commodore "giant". C= bought Amiga out from under the nose of Atari, which prompted a lawsuit; and this may have lead to the writer's confusion.
#186931From: Tony TalaricoFeb 28, 1995 8:19 PM
>> C= bought Amiga out from under the nose of Atari, … One more time – Atari was in NO WAY interested in the Amiga other than maybe looking for patent infringement (probably due to the fact that the chief designers of the Amiga nee Lorraine were at one time employed by Atari). At the point that C= was purchasing Amiga Inc., Atari (the Tramiels) was already in the process of designing the ST. Their replies at the time to queries about the Amiga were on the order of – It would be too expensive to produce. Weren't ANY of you guys reading Atari mags in the early eighties? Did EVERYONE here but me have subscriptions to Transactor? Tony In the beginning there was the Atari 800, then the XL and XE. And now, their REAL big brother – the AMIGA!
#186951From: Alex BakerFeb 28, 1995 11:15 PM
I read Atari mags, as well as Amiga mags. Shortly before the C= buyout, Atari signed and agreement with Amiga to provide funding for development of the Lorraine. When C= came in with a buyout, Atari filed suit claiming they had a prior arraingement with Amiga corp.
#186972From: Ronald B. RomineMar 1, 1995 3:09 AM
AB <<Shortly before the C= buyout, Atari signed and agreement with Amiga to provide funding for development of the Lorraine. When C= came in with a buyout, Atari filed suit claiming they had a prior arraingement with Amiga corp.>> From interviews from the Amiga designers, I read… When Amiga Corp ran out of money, they were trying to selling the compnay to highest bidder. Atari, thought they were the only bidder, and during the time, gave Amiga a half million dollar loan with the custom chips as the collateral. If Amiga Corp failed to payback the load at the end of the month, Atari got chips. It appeared that Atari only wanted the custom chips, and were dragging their feet about buying Amiga Corp, at least at a decent price. Commodore made a bid that Amiga Corp could accept, which Amiga Corp used to payback Atari's loan. Atari, couldn't claim the chips as collateral with the loan paid, and Atari lost the bid. – Ron. (People who say cats always land on their feet… just don't know how to throw them right.)
#187084From: Alex BakerMar 1, 1995 10:25 PM
That's about what I heard. That Atari wasn't ready to buy outright, that they thought stalling could get them a better deal with a little seed money. After C= jumped in, Atari claimed that they had a prior arraingement with Amiga Corp., and that C= was jumping in on their turf. I'm not sure if Amiga ever acutally received the money from Atari, or not. I know they had signed papers with Atari not too long before C= jumped in.
#187126From: EducomMar 2, 1995 2:08 AM
What's "The Lorraine"? Fred. Frederic Botton from Paris, France fbotton@cix.compulink.co.uk
#187135From: Jim ButterfieldMar 2, 1995 3:57 AM
"Amiga" was the company, "Lorraine" was the designation for the game/computer they were building. –Jim
#186954From: Don Curtis/SYSOPMar 1, 1995 12:16 AM
Tony, You're wrong…as a matter of fact, the Tramiels sued Commodore in an attempt to obtain the Amiga technology. There was an out of court settlement. Prior to the Tramiels, Warner Bros (who owned Atari while the Tramiels were still with Commodore) had bought an option to purchase the Amiga. Their option expired and Commodore snapped Amiga up. Don
#186964From: Michael SheaMar 1, 1995 1:02 AM
> Prior to the Tramiels, Warner Bros (who owned Atari while the >Tramiels were still with Commodore) had bought an option to purchase the >Amiga. Their option expired and Commodore snapped Amiga up. Whenever I think about the history of the Amiga, I wonder what would have happened if Amiga Inc. could have come up with some money and remained independent. As a small, hungry company with a superior product I think Amiga might have taken off in manner similar to the Apple story. ._ _ _ INTERNET: mshea@math.arizona.edu | | |ichael _>hea COMPUSERVE: 76665,3360
#186966From: Robert LittleMar 1, 1995 1:42 AM
That's often crossed my mind too. If they just could've stayed independant long enough to produce enough saleable Amigas the story would be a lot different! But, the past is the past and we still don't know if she'll even survive at all (except on our desktops and in our hearts). Robb
#186986From: Jim ButterfieldMar 1, 1995 7:37 AM
>> I wonder what would have happened if Amiga Inc. could have come up with some money and remained independent… Some observers say that Amiga Corp's original object was to simply build THE killer game machine, nothing more. I think you'd find a wide variety of opinions, even in the original devlopment team, as to what the Amiga would have been without Commodore stepping in. There's not doubt that Commodore's push towards building a computer with general capabilities was not viewed with joy by many team members. But (as they say about aging) it wasn't so bad when you considered the alternative. –Jim
#187085From: Alex BakerMar 1, 1995 10:25 PM
The legends abound, but the original premise for the Amiga to obtain backers was to build a hot game machine. Supposedly, according to one of the more popular legends, the original developers wanted to build a computer, but figured a game machine was easier to sell to investors, and so they pitched it that way, intending to develop a computer all along. I remeber the Lorraine being shown before C= bought it, back when the had a huge setup under the table to drive the displays. At that time they were talking computer, as opposed to game console. There were several write-ups on the Lorraine in Byte, as work progressed.
#187036From: Peter WadeMar 1, 1995 6:06 PM
The histories I have read say that the orginal backers of Amiga Inc did not want a computer but a games console. The designers apparently sneaked computer like features in without telling their backers. If the company had not been taken over it is unlikely they would have been able to sneak in a keyboard unnoticed. Peter Wade Autopiloting from London, England
#187145From: Dale LarsonMar 2, 1995 8:50 AM
They probably would have kicked some serious butt. dale@iam.com http://www.iam.com Intangible Assets Manufacturing
#187179From: Michael SheaMar 2, 1995 2:00 PM
>They probably would have kicked some serious butt. I sure think so. ._ _ _ INTERNET: mshea@math.arizona.edu | | |ichael _>hea COMPUSERVE: 76665,3360
#187189From: Dale LarsonMar 2, 1995 3:03 PM
Of course, if you gave me enough money, I'd probably do OK, too. 🙂 Unfortunately, the way the world seems to work is that if you have enough clue about how to do the right thing, you don't have enough of the "right" stuff to hoard huge sums of money. dale@iam.com http://www.iam.com Intangible Assets Manufacturing
#187028From: Ron LegroMar 1, 1995 5:02 PM
Slimey though they may have been, you had to hand it to the Tramiels for managing to produce the Atari ST on short notice after failing to acquire the Amiga technology. Of course, if Digital Research's GEM interface hadn't been adaptable, they'd have been a couple of years getting it out the door.
#187155From: Don Curtis/SYSOPMar 2, 1995 10:09 AM
Ron, They didn't produce the ST on short notice. Tramiel had been working (actually…folks working for him) on the ST for some time prior to the Atari/Amiga/Commodore buyout stuff. Tramiel was going to drop the ST if they succeeded in buying the Amiga, but since they lost out…the ST project continued. Don
#186967From: Karl F. KugelMar 1, 1995 1:45 AM
If the Atari mags got their info from the Tramiels, that would explain what you read. But not, alas, add much to it's veracity. Just how did your Atari mag explain Atari's lawsuit against CBM for snatching Amiga from their claws? ("Oh, we were never interested at all, we just tried to take it over out of curiosity?") Yeah, that's it. Atari needed to control the company to check into patent infringement. (snicker) -Karl