#PhotoShop & NT
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Hi All,
I just got my upgrade from PhotoStyler to PhotoShop which I placed in Jan
before the announcement of 3DS to NT. I wondered if anyone had heard about an
NT version, if so is there an upgrade path?
Thanks,
John
Never mind. To my suprise on opening the shipping container, right there on the
outside of the box it says Win and Win NT. Amazing!
John
Glad to see you solved your problem John, but you've got to stop having these
conversations with yourself. People are starting to talk (g).
>> People are starting to talk <g>. <<
I'm sure I give some people plenty to talk about. I used to be wonder about
it, but then I realised they must be really dull boring people! So here's to
all the dull boring people, may they grow up and get on with it, whatever it
is. <BG>
Thanks for the concern though. 🙂 So where we you at 4 in the a.m.? <G>
FWIW I thought about deleting the messages but with all this concern about NT,
I thought maybe the fact that another good application is supporting NT, might
be worth leaving posted. (For those that have better things to do than talk
about other people, like photo composite. <G>)
John
<<another good application is supporting NT…>>
Do you have to request the NT version when you order? I just bought Photoshop,
it should be arriving today.
-TC (Hoping I didn't blow it…)
>> Do you have to request the NT version when you oder? <<
No actually that's what suprised me. But it shouldn't have as it uses the
Win32s specification which can be implemented for standard Windows. Of course
with real 32 bit processing you'll want to run it under NT.
A nice bonus for a change, eh? 🙂
John
John
I was reading a review in Digital Video today for photoshop (VERY POSITIVE)
They commented that
the win and NT version are both on the CD!! Is THAT true?? It's my next
upgrade so I'm concerned too.
Gary
Gary,
>> They commented that the win and NT version are both on the CD!! Is THAT
true?? <<
Yes it is. Although I believe its the same program but with a Win32s patch to
run under Windows. I suspect that this is just the first of many programs which
will come configured this way enabling its use in either Windows or NT. Which
may account for all the delays in Win 95. <g>
John
As far as I understand, Photoshop is a full 32 bit Windows NT application.
When you include Win32s onto your existing Win 3.1(1) configuration all Windows
32bit API calls are "thunked" down to the 16bit API used in Win 3.1(1). So you
can effectively run a Windows 32 bit application on a Windows 3.1(1) setup.
But since Windows 3.1(1) isn't a full multitasking, multithreading operating
system any program that uses these won't run even if you use Win32s. So the
Photoshop program must remove these capabilities in order to be compatible with
both Windows NT AND Windows 3.1(1)+Win32s.
The advantage of 3DS R5 is that it will be a "native" WinNT application,
therefore allowing it to take full advantage of the operating system
capabilities. For this reason you won't be able to run it on Windows 3.1(1)
even if you have Win32s.
Win32s is simply a "bridge" between a 32bit and 16bit API. Though it does add
some "nice" features of WinNT as well.
<<I suspect that this is just the first of many programs which will come
configured this way enabling its use in either Windows or NT. Which may account
for all the delays in Win 95.>>
The Win32s add-on has been around for a while now. In fact one of Borland's
older compilers didn't run on Windows NT but you could create Windows NT
applications under Win3.1(1). Using Win32s You could then test them on a
Windows 3.1(1) setup without needing to actually run Windows NT.
But the irony of the whole situation is that in order to run a WinNT
application on Windows3.1 you need a "thunking" layer from 32bit to 16bit API
and when you reverse the situation; running a Windows3.1 application on WinNT
you have to "thunk" from a 16bit to 32bit API. It is only when the Windows
32bit API becomes more popular(with the arrival of Win95) that you will see the
end of all these "thunking" layers.
BTW do I get the award for using the word "Win" the most number of times in a
single message? <g>
David "I'm all thunked out" Gould
>> BTW do I get the award for using the word "Win" the most number of times in
a single message? <g> <<
Yes, you win. <g,d,&r>
Paul S.
David,
I did understand that WIN32s is a bridge. As a matter of fact I have a couple
of other programs which use it. Most notable being ASDG's Abekas driver. But up
until recently it hasn't been all that common. PhotoShop is a fairly main
stream application and so my prediction was that until Win95 is released more
applications will come out using Win32s to bridge the transition. All the more
reason to get NT now IMO.
I appreciate your detailed description and I'm sure it will help those
considering what to do next with their decision.
Thanks,
John
P.S. You also get the award for use "thunk" most often. I thunk. <g>
<<win and NT version are both on the CD!!>>
True, true, true!! Go! Get it!………. Now!!!
You still here?! 🙂
-TC
This is beginning to sound like the opening scenes of Maddog Mcree!!
Go get'em ..That's Right…Yaaa!! Haven't read anything but raves..
<<A nice bonus for a change, eh? :-)>>
kudos to Adobe. From the Tutorial, it looks like the interface is quite
intuitive. This is a quality product.
-TC
>> This is a quality product. <<
Definitely.
John