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#Best/Worst Video Cards?

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#161256From: Bob WeiblerMar 27, 1995 10:43 PM
I am considering upgrading my video card to something supporting a few more colors/resolutions. (I currently have an STB Powergraph 24) Does anyone have any favorite cards? How about any that should definitely be avoided? I am not looking to spend a bundle, so the really high-end cards are out of the question. On a related note, would it be advisable to wait for the new breed o f 3D cards, as opposed to buying now? Thanks for any input! Bob W.
#161290From: Phil CrescenzoMar 28, 1995 9:35 AM
my experience with the Stealth line of cards has been nightmarish . Everyone complains about Diamonds drivers. Boy , I would HATE to be the guy responsible for writing those.
#161385From: Bob WeiblerMar 28, 1995 6:14 PM
Phil, Thanks for the input. Martin F. seems to like the Diamond stealth 64, so (of course) there is not total agreement here :-). Since I am somewhat crippled by my current card, I guess I'll have to look at upgrading soon.
#161412From: ROBERT RITGERMar 28, 1995 8:34 PM
Phil: /_______________________From your message________________________\\ Everyone complains about Diamonds drivers. __________________________________________________________________ Wrong! I've got two Diamond products (Viper VLB and a Viper PCI). Neither card has done anything but perform consistently. Perhaps the Stealth cards are a different story but the Viper seems o.k. by me. Bob
#161500From: Phil CrescenzoMar 29, 1995 9:24 AM
Everyone I know complains about diamond drivers. Historically they are unstable. I have three diamond cards, speedstar, stealth 24, and viper. Speedstar has been a pain in the past, cured with driver updates. Stealth 24 is the ONE card that exhibits a different response to my software calls to StretchBLT() function. Not sure why yet. I have also had more than one software package come through here that had problems. Calls to the MFGs resulted in responses that point to the Stealth drivers more than once. The Viper card now works well with 3DS4 / Windows / etc with latest drivers. That is all I know! I am glad that your cards haven't caused you any grief. It is a bit surprising to me to find outthat the Stealth 64 is standard. Although it is a different card than the 24. I'll probably end up with one.<g>
#161618From: ROBERT RITGERMar 29, 1995 6:51 PM
Phil: It looks like Bob is getting an array of opinions and some good suggestions. I know Diamond has to field many questions on their products but for 3DS their cards have served many ASOFT forum members quite well. Bob is getting that message now from the crowd. Bob
#161294From: Jeffrey LererMar 28, 1995 9:43 AM
Bob: <would it be advisable to wait for the new breed of 3-D cards> 3-DS will be going to NT for Release 5. When more details are revealed about that upgrade, there are many hardware decisions that will be influenced greatly. I am guessing that 3-DS will support 3-D hardware accelleration. Also, will 3-DS be written to run on chips other than Intel. Some motherboard manufacturers are starting to put 3-D accel. directly on the motherboard. Also, NT utilizes Open G-L. So, for me, it's sit and wait. I am going to purchase a new central system as my main workstation, and am eyeing NTs ability to multi-thread. Additionally, the P6 is scheduled for release in the fall. Or, if 3-DS will run on ALPHA, that would be another option. Clearly, you don't want to eliminate yourself from 3-D accelleration. If 3-DS does support it, the dividing line between PC and SGI will get very comfortably fuzzy. Jeffrey
#161386From: Bob WeiblerMar 28, 1995 6:14 PM
Jeffrey, You are definitely right about all of the hardware that will likely be changing once R5 is released. Since I am somewhat hobbled by my current card, it looks like I'll be upgrading soon. Any major changes are likely to be about a year away, so I'll have the new card for almost a lifetime in computer years! Thanks for the input. Bob W.
#161493From: Jeffrey LererMar 29, 1995 9:00 AM
Bob: lifetime in computer years> You are totally correct. If you find yourself hobbled by equipment, then you must go with that. These days, a powerful video card my only cost $400-$500. FYI – many of the people I team with like the Diamond Stealth. 2-4mb VRAM. With regard to major changes being a year away – actually, 6-8 months (fall sometime) is more like it. So, I've hoarded away a terrible summ of money to buy a terrifying machine. Maybe some of that enthusiasm leaked into my original answer to you. Jeffrey
#161662From: James Coulter[Mindscape]Mar 30, 1995 12:05 AM
I used to wait for new releases to by stuff, but I finally realized that technology is like a conveyor belt — it's always moving. And the sooner you hop on, the farther you get in the long run. (IMHO) — James — Choreo Motion —
#161697From: Jeffrey LererMar 30, 1995 7:24 AM
James <conveyor belt> agreed. Certainly with regard to a video card. But with as many variables shifting over the next 4 months, bigger purchases might be put on hold (i.e., P6 or ALPHA, multi-threading, 3-D accel, etc.). Jeffrey
#161857From: James Coulter[Mindscape]Mar 31, 1995 12:52 AM
I tend to find that first releases, especially with hardware, can be quite buggy. Excepting an occasional indulgence, I usually wait about two or three months after the release of a given product to see what the general consensus is. By the time I'm ready to buy the fancy stuff, I'll have heard the reviews and saved the cash. In the mean time, I just jump on the conveyer with the tried & true! 🙂 — James — Choreo Motion —
#161892From: Jeffrey LererMar 31, 1995 9:06 AM
James: Uh-huh, first releases can be buggy. But my next big acquisition will be either dual P6 chips or DEC ALPHA with dual chips. The P6 will not actually be a first generation. The P5 was a step between Dx66 and P6, probably rushed out there to head of PowerPC hype. So either of these choices will be stable. I have to wait and see what 3-DS R5 supports. The first release territory will be in 3-D accel hardware, perhaps. This area of sophistry is way beyond me, I don't really understand how 3-D hardware accelleration works. I have to say, this really is exciting. The biggest drawback to 3-D development and complex 2-D processing has been render speed. Some rough calculations put render times in the realm I dreamed about only a few years ago. I suppose soon we will all start yearning for the holy grail — REALTIME –! Jeffrey
#161327From: MARTIN G FOSTERMar 28, 1995 12:32 PM
Bob, I like the Diamond Stealth 64 VRAM cards. The DRAM is quite a bit cheaper but also slower. I wouldn't wait for the 3d cards – there's essentially nothing running on them yet, in terms of 3ds realated applications. My philosophy is to buy the latest industry standard stuff that others feel happy with in a production environment. The bleeding edge isn't necessarily a happy place to be, unless it's your business to test that stuff. Also a lot of stuff with promises of future usability never materializes. Martin
#161387From: Bob WeiblerMar 28, 1995 6:14 PM
Martin, Thanks for your reply. And let me say that I hope the new job is keeping you busy and interested! Diamond does seem to be kind of a standard – have you had any (insurmountable) problems with them? You are one of a handful of people on this forum whose opinion I really respect, so whatever you say carries a lot of weight 🙂 BTW, was one of your models (like a comic strip super-hero type) used in an ad for some kind of product – maybe software or a printer something? I saw an ad that had something very similar, but I never compared them side-by-side, so I couldn't be sure. If you don't know of anything, let me know, and I'll see if I can find the ad. Thanks again, Bob W.
#161403From: MARTIN G FOSTERMar 28, 1995 7:59 PM
Bob, Thanks very much for your encouraging comments. It means a lot to me. My job is working out very well. We're in the middle of a feature film and I'm working with some great people, on both the 3ds and visual effects side. Diamond does not have a good reputation for software or product support and sometimes they rush hardware to market with barely stable drivers – but then this is true of many of the other big display card companies (ATI etc). Generally, I wait to see if a card is stable before I buy it. This was the case with the Diamond Stealth 64 4mb VRAM – it just works. I've had no need to call anybody. I did buy a Diamond Stealth 24 from them and it was very troublesome but that was just the chipset at that time and the drivers. You have to take it on a card by card basis. >> BTW, was one of your models (like a comic strip super-hero type) used in an ad for some kind of product << I've no idea. I did do an animation of a spiderman-like character and gave it to Autodesk as video and a still image. It could turn up anywhere after that – and often without credit, which is annoying. Martin
#161542From: Bob WeiblerMar 29, 1995 12:45 PM
Martin, I'll start checking out prices on the Diamond 64 cards. Regarding the ad using what may have been your model – I saw your model on the CD that shipped with 3DS, so you are probably right about that. Thanks again for your help. Bob W.
#161488From: Ted BoardmanMar 29, 1995 8:45 AM
Bob I've got Diamonds in both my machines and am happy with the results. TedB !^NavFont01F0007MGHHG4081A1
#161543From: Bob WeiblerMar 29, 1995 12:45 PM
Ted, It looks like I'll be checking out the Diamond 64's. Thanks for the info. Now, if I could only get more 3DS work, and less ACAD work! Enjoy this weather while you can! Bob W.
#161695From: Ted BoardmanMar 30, 1995 7:15 AM
Bob Autocad looks some sharp with that Diamond 64, though<BG> Went to Boston to the Seybold show yesterday and the weather was so nice I took two rides up Newbury St!<G> TedB !^NavFont01F0007MGHHG90F7FD