#EISA
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But.. you could still reseat the controller card and get it to work (which
happened before the virus appeared, & after too). Sure, reformatting the
hard disk did seem to make it go away (mostly), which would seem to point
to software problems, but how do you _really_ determine the cause/effect,
in such situations? (I say "mostly" because I still do see illegal address
calls now and then when I disable Norton DD, altho he seems capable of
correcting them.. mostly)
Also, I've been told that the "Stoned" virus is just a piece of computer
graffiti that doesn't do much harm. (but who knows, really, I guess)
As it seems to be with Mike's system, you can really get into some
uncharted territory when you go with many disparate hardware players,
(especially if they're prone to corruption) resulting in yelling sessions,
finger pointing, etc.
All I can say is, BE YOUR OWN MECHANIC! if you can..
Hope to see you at Javits Center show in late Jan. BTW
john
John,
You're wrong about the "Stoned" virus. It will eventually mess with
the File Allocation Table and thing go boom! Easy to remove with McAfee
virus removal program, though.
Kevin Krell – Computer Support Associates
Yeah, I should probably disqualify myself for neglecting to mention the
virus, but I'm wary of letting the matter rest there, considering the other
problem that seemed to have already manifested itself (and also things I
was told both before and after the problem was fixed).
I realize customers have to take responsibility for these things, if it can
be proven unequivocably that they are responsible.
I guess I should apologize, too, if I went overboard and implied that
anyone tried to gouge me without any good reason.
However, before I bow out, I'd like to reiterate the difficulties that
systems such as these can produce when they contain all sorts of pieces
from different sources; vendors should be advised to cover themselves in
ironclad writing that they won't guarantee a setup if it starts to argue
with itself; by the same token, customers should never accept defective
merchandise, no matter how trivial it might seem at the time (or how
assuring the vendor is that it's not really a problem..). I suppose all
this should be obvious, right?
(P.S.- At the moment I'm starting to see a weird problem w/ 3DS Keyframer
TGA rendering.. but I'm going to meticulously investigate ALL possible
trouble-shoots before I start squawking..) regards John Gummere }SP{
John,
I'll presume you just used this convenient reply to me to throw in
your other comments, as I certainly wasn't chastising you for anything,
just wanted people to realize that the "Stoned" virus was not harmless. As
for system components and software having a knock-down drag-out fight with
each other: you can bet that with all the crap on my demo systems that
*I've* got a ringside seat (season's tickets, even).
Kevin Krell – Computer Support Associates
Convenience or not, one must be thorough when publicly stating the problems
one has with these complex technologies, and you and Rob caught me up short
on the virus issue. You should hear the hilarious things that Click & Clack
The Tappet Brothers (a car talk show on public radio) have to say to people
who turn out to be omitting information, as they talk about their vehicular
troubles.
Something about a 25 yard penalty was in there, last time I heard someone
do that on their show.. Just the way they both simultaneously say "Aw
Jeez" is priceless sometimes (they didn't let the guy off too easy,
either!) I hate to find myself doing such a thing.
Come to think of it, someone could have a show like theirs dealing with
computers.. (!) I'll bet it would pretty popular (providing it was
humorous, too, of course).
John
John,
Well, it was once suggested that I start a 900# for support
(particularly on Truevision and video issues). I'm not sure I'd feel right
about that, because most of the answers are in the manuals, it's just that
nobody else reads 'em. One of these days I may actually have to turn the
machine on. Now you know my secret.
Kevin Krell – Computer Support Associates
Kevin,
A lot of information is available to everybody. Not everyone has the time
or resources to get (and retain) all this information. If you provide
information that is other wise readily available but provide it in an
easier format, there is nothing ethically wrong with it. I often do not
have the time to read manuals when I am installing something, or trying to
make some new software run with existing installations. I often wish I
could ask someone a couple of questions that would get me on the road
quickly. Later when I have time, I can go back and read the manual.
Besides, it would be nice if I could even get the relevant page numbers in
the manual rather than having to hunt for it.
I for one would pay to access a 900 number if I knew you were behind it.
Thanx also for answering many of my questions in the past.
Anil
Carefully perusing manuals has become an almost religious pastime in this
household (somewhat due to all the incessant encouragement thereof..), in
fact some of them look quite weather-beaten from such treatment.
There have been cases, which I shall relate, where myopic study resulted in
further puzzlement. It was discovered (after a while) that one was
supposed to turn the document SIDEWAYS.. (chorus of "Ah-hahs" in
background) a fact that was plainly explained in the README file (thought
it was READ.ME.. jeez), which I checked (honest) but it scrolled by too
fast due to a bug in my |MORE utility.. (or perhaps I forgot the "|")
Darn..
(3DS's manual is not one of those ..(mostly) )
John Gummere =SP=
I use Norton Anti-Virus. Seems to stomp it good. One thing about viruses.
Keep you program current. Viruses tend to mutate.
groan, `be your own mechanic' is not what I wanted to do!
We are still having problems with the Targa; the system works great w/out
it, though. I have installed the ISA .cfg file that shipped with the board
and got a message that said `the video adapter does not match the EISA
configuration' or some such. Both the card and the configuration are
thrown in w/ factory defaults. I have not had time to play, so I just
pulled the card while my vendor looks into this w/ Truevision. It seems
strange that this card could corrupt the system timer.
Any ideas on what the settings should be in the EISA config?
-Mike
MikeIf I'm not mistaken, there's a Mylex utility that you use (supplied on
floppies), isn't there? Mine comes up with a graphic screen that confirms
(among other things) which slots are being used by 32 bit cards, etc.
Incidentally, for a detailed treatise on EISA, you oughta go read the "Bus
Wars" articles that appeared in the May/June '90 issues of PC Magazine (you
could perhaps find them on microfilm in a good library somewhere). They
gave quite a comparison, too, on the merits of ISA, MCA in relation to the
EISA thing.. very fascinating. (good for potential mechanics, too, BTW
(g))..
regards, John (wowsemdownattheoffice) Gummere =SP=
Yea,
I am using the MYLEX EISA Configuration utility (CF.EXE). I *hope* that my
trouble is being caused by not matching the jumper configuration with what
this utility is set to.
As soon as I get a free moment (3 weeks) I will give it a try!
-Mike