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#99641From: John KellyApr 24, 1990 7:41 AM
I'm TRULY thankful to know there are other critical voices on this forum. The endless vapid cheerleading is counterproductive. I bet half the membership ,here, is sleeping w/ "Amy" ./
#99956From: John DraperApr 25, 1990 8:36 PM
John, I assure you that _IF_ I agreed with the particular criticisms I do see, I would be in there being critical too. I just don't happen to agree with a lot of it, so I voice the alternative viewpoint. To call it 'endless vapid cheerleading' shows a remarkable lack of insight into the possible reasons one might be positive about something that is being criticized. If I were to use your tactic, I might refer to Mr. Cole's messages as 'constant pouting and whining'. I consider opinions to be just that; opinions. Opinions are not factual, irrefutable statements, but are open to disagreement. -larry
#100110From: Paul Christian NelisApr 26, 1990 11:00 AM
Here here Larry Phillips! Fact is fact. You can't have oppinions about facts (Quote from the intrepid Peter Schickele). OTOH, you cannot (!) expect oppinions to be facts, except in the limited context that people Do, in fact, believe in their oppinions (I believe, in fact ?!?). -Paul
#100301From: Gabe J. FederApr 27, 1990 7:02 AM
You sound like Professor Corey from the beginning of the CBU Multimedia presentation… —Gabe
#100303From: John KellyApr 27, 1990 7:23 AM
You know, we all probably have pretty much the same goals probably. There's a difference in attitude, though. Frankly, I like supportive attitudes. There are times when something a bit negative is more appropriate. Very often negative attitudes are associated w/ money and business. You seem to be defending or advocating certain ideas and principles and people in a very nice way. The poor man who whipped up this frenzy was attacking a business practice. However it occured, the general populace was mislead by newtek and maybe they didn't use this forum and the print medium effectively to correct the misconceptions. Hmmm? As a sysop, I think you should invite dissent. It has a noble history and it might help make the forum more like it's historical precedent.
#100344From: John DraperApr 27, 1990 4:34 PM
I certainly wlecome dissent and differences of opinion, either as a sysop or as just a member. I do not, however, think that labelling supportive opinions as 'endless vapid cheerleading' constitutes either fair comment or valid argument in support of an opinion.
#100053From: Wayne ColeApr 25, 1990 11:47 PM
john, We all want the Amiga to be the most popular machine around 'cause we think (rightly or wrongly) that it is the best. Some people feel the best way to do this is ignore the warts. Others feel it is better to point them out in the hopes that there is a dermatologist in the house that can remove them before the REALLY important guests arrive. What amuses me is the way that some of the "don't see the warts" folks are so SERIOUS that when someone commits blasphemy they get so hot that they put words into your messages so they can attack. Usually if it were a conversation it wouldn't happen, but without the advantage of voice inflection and facial expressions they miss much of the subtle humor and ironies and take the messages as important as, say, world hunger or environmental collapse of the atmosphere. Ahhh…. the joys of diversity… wmc
#100304From: John KellyApr 27, 1990 7:34 AM
Frankly, I'm more interested in the "best" than I am its name. Amiga, Mac, Sun or otherwise. You write well and make a cogent series of points. I applaud (clap clap) your nerve, for you must know by now that all the smiling natives really aren't that friendly.