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WOCA-NY Show Report

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#94352From: Dominick J. FontanaApr 6, 1993 8:26 AM
*** World of Commodore Amiga New York Show Report *** Here are some of the highlights from the New York World of Commodore Amiga Show: 1) General: The show was generallly well attended. New Tek had a very small booth this time. Opalvision and Scala software seemed to be everywhere. GVP basically had the same setup and products as last year, except for a few peripherals for the A1200. I won't comment on these products, since they have been covered in other show reports. There were a lot of software vendors and many good deals could be had at the show. AmigaMan, in particular, had a very large booth and was doing brisk sales. ProWrite 3.3 could be purchased for $40. Amiga World and Amazing Computing were there, as well as a number of User Groups. Blue Ribbon SoundWorks, Centaur, DKB, Gold Disk, ICD, Migraph, Moonlighter, Scala, Soft-Logik, and Utilities Unlimited, as well as many others were present. CBM had its usual large space in the back. 2) Commodore: CBM was showing the A4000, A1200, CDTV, A570 CD ROM, and AmigaVision Professional. An A4000-T was on display, but it wasn't hooked up. There were very few A500s, A600s, A2000s, and A3000s on display. I tried both the A4000 and A1200. The enhanced resolution and color was indeed very nice. The A1200 was smaller than the A500 and bigger then the A6000. The A4000 was a nice machine, but was quite ugly-looking. CBM also announced an A4000 with a 68030 CPU, but without a math co-processor, for $1,650. 3) Soft-Logik: They announced PageStream 3. 4) ASDG: I checked out MorphPlus with "cinematic quality morphing." It worked great, but I still found it to be slow, despite claims that it's the fastest morphing program around. I used it on an A4000. 5) Migraph: I tried their ColorBurst Color Hand Scanner and was truly impressed. It was on sale at the show for $399. Here are some features: – Six resolutions from 50 to 400 dpi. – Five scanning modes: Super color, color, grayscale, dithered halftone (color), and line art (monochrome). – Fast, single-pass scanning. – Half-page scanning window- 4.13 inches wide. – Sensitive color scanning: 262,144 colors, or 4,096 colors on low-memory systems. – True 64-level grayscale scans at 400 dpi. – Scan line art for graphics projects or text for OCR processing. – Quick, accurate scanning and easy saving for direct export. – Save scans in a variety of standard file formats. – Comes complete with parallel interface and cable for easy installation. – Comes with scanning/editing/saving software. – Requirements: For all Amigas (except A1000) with 2 MB of memory. 4 MB and HD are recommended. I also saw their Scan-and-Save, Merge-It, and OCR software, as well as their scanning trays. In addition, they announced the PS-400 Scanning Wand, which allows full-page scanning in one pass, yet it is not a flatbed scanner. It contains a full-page scanning wand, a powerful image editor, and a professional-quality OCR text processor, all for less than the price of a flatbed scanner. 6) Moonlighter Software: They were showing Ami-Back and Ami-Back Tools. I already own Quarterback and Quarterback Tools. However, I was so impressed after I saw a complete demo of Ami-Back, that I purchased it. I've always been a loyal supporter of Randy and CCS (makers of QB and QBTools), but I just have to admit that Ami-Back is simply better than Quarterback. After George Chamberlain left CCS, development on the QB products has just been too slow to suit my needs. I have four partitions on my hard drive and I back up to streaming tape. With QB, it is a very tedious process to restore from any partition other than the first partition. You have to remember exactly which partition on the tape you want to restore, and even then it doesn't always work correctly. CCS has been promising an automated restore procedure for some time now, yet it still hasn't appeared. Ami-Back has had automated restores for some time now. Hey, why should I have to keep waiting for QB to be upgraded when the features I want are here now with Ami-Back. You simply select the partition you want to restore and Ami-back does the rest. Ami-Back also has a beautiful graphical automated scheduling system that allows yuo to make unattended backups at any time. I've also been waiting for a few years for CCS to upgrade QBTools. However, Ami-Back Tools is already here and it's also a fabulous product, so I'm going to buy that, too. I've heard a lot about the Ami-Back products in the past. Now that I've seen them in person, I have to agree that they are the new leader in Amiga backup and HD utilities software. 7) Blue Ribbon SoundWorks: They were located in the Scala booth and were showing the following products: Bars&Pipes Pro 2.0; SuperJAM! 1.1, The Patchmeister 1.0c, The One-Stop Music Shop, Sync Pro, and the Triple Play Plus. B&P Pro is a state-of-the-art MIDI sequencer. With the New Media Madness software accessory, B&P Pro was synched to Scala and provided a fantastic audio-visual experience. B&P Pro was able to control Scala from within B&P Pro. The sequenced sounds triggered the One-Stop Music Shop (OSMS). This is a plug-in Amiga card that contains the award-winning E-Mu Proteus sound engine. It turns the Amiga into a 16-bit CD quality sample playback unit. It's like having a Proteus module inside the Amiga. The OSMS can also be controlled by a MIDI master keyboard, just like any other MIDI sound module. It also comes with excellent graphical editing software, so you can edit the samples. This is a great sound card, that has a pair of stereo RCA audio outputs and MIDI In and Out ports. You still have access to the Amiga's 8-bit stereo out jacks. With the OSMS you can have true 16-bit quality stereo from the Amiga, together with a built-in MIDI interface, all in a self-contained unit. SuperJAM! is an algorithmic composition program similar to Band-In-A-Box, except better. The PatchMeister is a Universal Librarian. Sync Pro is a SMPTE reader/generator and SMPTE/MTC converter that allows you to sync B&P Pro to SMPTE time code by converting SMPTE to MIDI TIME CODE (MTC). Finally, Triple Play Plus is a MIDI interface for the Amiga with three separately-addressable MIDI Outs, providing for a total of 48 separate MIDI channels instead of the usual 16 channels. 8) Electric Theatre: They announced five volumes of their Music Teaching Software called, "Keys to Music." A demo disk is also available. Their number is (215) 379-4538. 9) Microdeal: They announced the AMAS2. This stands for Advanced MIDI Amiga Sampler 2. It's a combination 8-bit audio sampler and MIDI interface in one box, with sample editing software. In addition, they have announced "Clarity" for the Amiga, which is a 16-bit stereo sampler. This is not just a sample playback unit, but it will also allow you to record your own 16-bit samples. Unfortunately, I was not able to try it out at the show. The list price is 149.95 pounds, but I don't know the U.S. list price in dollars. Up to now, the Sunrize AD516 has been the only 16-bit sampler for the Amiga. I don't believe that the Clarity is as good as the AD516, but it is advertised as having the best price/performance ratio for 16-bit samplers on the market. It allows playback of up to 4 tracks on an accelerated Amiga and on 2 tracks on an unaccelerated one. The software doesn't yet work on an A4000, but they said that will be fixed soon. The hardware is not on a card, but is an external unit that connects to the Amiga's parallel and serial ports. It has stereo RCA in and out jacks and MIDI In and Out ports. This was the only information I could get about Clarity, but as of now, it is the only announced 16-bit sampler for the Amiga that will compete with the currently-exisiting Sunrize AD516 16-bit sampler. Well, that's it for my comments on the show. There was a lot to see and do and there were some great bargains at the show. I wore my yellow Amiga Forums ribbon, but unfortunately I didn't see anyone else with the ribbon. I had a good time and I look forward to attending the Fifth Annual WOCA Show in New York next year.
#94447From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPApr 6, 1993 10:07 PM
Thanks for the show report, Dom! Steve
#94606From: Dominick J. FontanaApr 8, 1993 1:10 AM
It was my pleasure, Steve. Dom Fontana –> Sent from NY via AP <–
#94493From: Robert ComerApr 7, 1993 1:45 AM
Thanks for the report Dom! That's scanner sounds really interesting! Bob Comer
#94607From: Dominick J. FontanaApr 8, 1993 1:10 AM
Bob, The color scanner was indeed very interesting. I almost bought it on the spot. BTW, the special price of $399 will be in effect until 4/30/93. So if you're interested, called MiGraph. Dom Fontana –> Sent from NY via AP <–
#94507From: Leslie T. BartiromoApr 7, 1993 5:18 AM
Thanks for you WOC report! By any chance did you notice the version number of Ami-Back Tools? I have version 1.0 and the disk ooptomizer keeps finding a disk error that the disk checker program can't find. I have alerted Moonlighter about this and they sent me an experimental copy of the program which had the same bug but would kick out an error file. I uploaded the file to their BBS followed up by a phone call but I haven't heard anything from them.
#94608From: Dominick J. FontanaApr 8, 1993 1:10 AM
Leslie, I bought Ami-Back at the show and ordered Ami-Back Tools from them over the phone on Monday (at the show price). Ask me again in a week and I'll check the version of A-BTools once it arrives. Dom Fontana –> Sent from NY via AP <–
#94586From: RON TROYApr 7, 1993 10:54 PM
There was nothing to hang the yellow ribbon from; only the 'ticket'. Ron
#94609From: Dominick J. FontanaApr 8, 1993 1:11 AM
Ron, There was a piece of sticky tape on the ribbon. I peeled off the back and stuck it on my shirt. It stayed there for the whole show. Dom Fontana –> Sent from NY via AP <–
#94644From: Michael GerardApr 8, 1993 9:43 AM
The 'sticky tape' was there to allow the ribbon to hange from a badge holder.
#94888From: Dominick J. FontanaApr 10, 1993 1:27 AM
Michael, Hahahahaha! I was wondering why the tape was on the front of the ribbon. I didn't have a badge so I just folded the top over backwards and stuck it to my shirt. It worked great! Dom Fontana –> Sent from NY via AP <–
#95098From: RON TROYApr 11, 1993 5:07 PM
Good as any other way … Ron
#94643From: Michael GerardApr 8, 1993 9:43 AM
Shoot! I figured they'd give everyone show badges! Oh well… stick a safety pin on it.
#94597From: Tom JonesApr 7, 1993 11:54 PM
Thank you Dominick for the report, did you say CBM was selling the 4000/30 at the show for $1650.00? American dollars? If that was the street price everywhere they would need to reopen the Honk Kong facility to keep up with orders. Tom
#94610From: Dominick J. FontanaApr 8, 1993 1:11 AM
Tom, Yes, I believe the price at the show for the 4000/30 was $1,650. Dom Fontana –> Sent from NY via AP <–
#94708From: Mark D. ManesApr 8, 1993 9:06 PM
MSRP on the A4000/030 is $2399. Most dealers are selling it at $1999. Most mail order houses are giving it away at $1700. A note of clarfication. 🙂 -mark= Otto Pilot Engaged..
#94791From: Paul IdolApr 9, 1993 11:31 AM
If the 4000/030 is to compete, the machine itself (w/o monitor) should be in the low teens. Look at newspaper ads from big multi-platform dealers – look how cheap low end Macs and clones are! True, they're not the machine an Amiga is, but is a computer illiterate supposed to know this? No! That's how companies get away with selling the krap they do. -Paul
#94801From: Mark D. ManesApr 9, 1993 2:12 PM
Paul, Frankly I agree with you. I think the pricing on the A4000/030 is out of line. We haven't sold our first one. -mark= Otto Pilot Engaged..
#95101From: R. Simonsen/MicroBoticsApr 11, 1993 5:10 PM
I emphatically agree with both of you. Moreover, the US pricing of the 4000/30 violates a policy of "world" pricing that CBM promulgated less than a year ago. You can buy a 4000/30 in Britain for around 850 Pounds (list). That's at a buck-fifty-two per Pound folk. Around $1300 in green dollars. Recently, the 10 millionth Mac was sold. Apple did this almost exclusively be lowering the price of its line and broadening the low-end selections to include a lot of 030 computers.
#95131From: Erik FlomApr 11, 1993 6:50 PM
I saw an ad in a local paper today for one of the Mac Centris systems: 68040/20MHz (no Math Co-Pro though), 4MB RAM, 80MB HD = $1697 (Monitor & keyboard extra) If C= thinks that the 4000/30 is worth more than $1200 (street price), then they need to get in touch with the real world! (Tell why YOU think it's worth more than that, if you can?) Comments from a disillusioned C= owner, Erik Flom
#94889From: Dominick J. FontanaApr 10, 1993 1:27 AM
Mark, >A note of clarification.< What does anything that you said have to do with clarifying that the A4000/030 was being sold at the WOCA-NY Show at the special show price of $1,650? 😎 Dom Fontana –> Sent from NY via AP <–
#95167From: Mark D. ManesApr 11, 1993 9:07 PM
Tom Jones posted that CBM (Commodore) was selling it at $1650. I am sure that the people at the show were selling it at that price, but Commodore has *not* changed the MSRP. Btw: Though I responded to your post, I really did not mean to point you out. You posted nothing inaccurate.
#95187From: Tom JonesApr 11, 1993 11:20 PM
Look it doesn't matter, but I wasn't at WOC, a previous poster said $1650 and later clarified it was vendors (which I naturally ASSUMED in the first instance, since CBM doesn't sell retail). I have another guy telling me he paid even less, $1625, BTW. Something wrong in Denmark.
#94633From: Andy LevyApr 8, 1993 6:35 AM
The $1650 price was from one of the dealers there — they were dropping their price every few hours or so in a sort of "Lowest Price!" competition during the show. CBM's list price hasn't changed (at least not yet) and I doubt the $1650 price will be offered now that the show is over — for a while. –apl
#94649From: Tom JonesApr 8, 1993 1:04 PM
Ah! So deska, that makes sense. I hope it will come below $1800 once the immediate shortage is satisfied though. They are missing a big opportunity if they let the tax returns come back with nothing to offer us….just as big as christmas. Thanks Tom
#95059From: Robert PigfordApr 11, 1993 11:57 AM
Am I the only one who noticed (and found quite disappointing) the main sign located outside the building, pointing into the show? It was a green chalkboard with a handwritten "World of Commodore Amiga–>" written on it. I feel like all those people who call the Amiga a 'cult' machine are a little more correct than I wanted to think – here's the biggest Amiga show in the northeastern US, and the only sign pointing into it is handwritten. [Please keep in mind that I attended the show on Saturday, so if there was a sign on Friday but stolen, my point is quite moot.] Also, the place definitely had a 'flea market' feel to it. There were some really high-collar companies showing their stuff, but the mail-order houses were getting all the attendees… It's the big development companies with real, professional applications and hardware who are the future of the Amiga, and most of us just wanted cheap deals… Nevertheless, a big thanks goes to Commodore and everyone associated with the show – we'll see you next year! (And of course, thanks, Dominick, for your compllete and interesting report!)
#95364From: Dominick J. FontanaApr 13, 1993 3:11 AM
I was also at the show on Saturday. Sorry I didn't see you there. Did you wear your ribbon? 😎