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#Imagine/PC strange hangs

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#54950From: Phil CampApr 17, 1993 9:28 AM
Hi, Imagine/PC turned up this morning. After installation I have detected some strange circumstances when starting Imagine. If I boot my PC in a 'clean' state (ie. simple config.sys and autoexec.bat) with just the mouse driver loaded, when I start Imagine it hangs before it can show the intro picture. But if I boot my machine and start Windows, then simply quit Windows and start Imagine, all is OK. Strange! It seems to me that Imagine needs the VGA card to have been initialised by Windows before it will work. My system is as follows: Ti'ko 486/DX 33Mhz. 120Mb IDE Hard Disk. 147Mb SCSI Hard Disk. Orchid Farenheight 1280 VGA card with onboard VESA ROM, running on local bus. I know the Orchid F1280 has caused lots of other people problems (mainly games) so I think its the culprit. Any thoughts? Phil Camp, UK.
#55018From: Stan Kalisher (Impulse)Apr 17, 1993 11:44 PM
Phil, Imagine needs your VESA driver to be initialized prior to running. Obviously, your Windows.ini is doing this, but your clean boot is not. –Rick
#55054From: Peter GreciApr 18, 1993 1:18 PM
Howdy Rick, Any truth to the rumour that Impulse is porting Imagine to the SGI Platform????? Any updates on the release of Amiga Imagine 3.0? Thanx
#55153From: Stan Kalisher (Impulse)Apr 19, 1993 7:34 PM
Impulse plans to port Imagine to the SGI platform as soon as 3.0 is out later this year. My guess for release of 3.0 is late summer. –Rick
#55325From: Peter GreciApr 21, 1993 4:19 PM
Thanx for the Imagine/SGI info. If you have ANY Pull with the Programmers PLEASE tell them to do something about the Cycle Editor. Or Better Yet Have em Add a EASY TO USE Feature Like the New Lightwaves "Bones" My Jaw hit the Ground with a Resounding THUD when I saw Lee Stranahan Demo LW3D 3.0 at WOCA. Also the Slice Editor need s MAJOR Overhaul, it's too hit and miss right now.
#55399From: Vance SchowalterApr 22, 1993 1:07 PM
The Impulse newsletter said that Imagine 3.0 would have a "Bones" feature in it. Actually, Imagine 3.0 is sounding more like it will more closely resemble Lightwave than 2.0. Vance
#55429From: Peter GreciApr 22, 1993 5:35 PM
Thanx for the info from the Impulse Newsletter which I don't recieve for some unknown reason. When I called Impulse about it I was Told to TEAR the Front Cover off my Manual and Send it to them. Even tho the Manual is TRIPE I still am Loathe to Tear it's cover off so I guess I'll ever be Newsletterless. I think a BETTER Suggestion would be for me to send them my ORIGINAL Disk with the Models on it Via Registered/Insured Mail. Awaiting 3.0 BEFORE Getting Toasted, Tho I REALLY LIKE The Toaster. My Buddy is probably bouncing off the walls of his studio and drooling now that Toaster 3.0 was announced as well as the A4000 Toaster. Maybe I can get his old one on "loan" hehehehehehehe
#55531From: Stan Kalisher (Impulse)Apr 23, 1993 10:02 PM
Actually, Vance, Impulse was talking and promoting Bones before Siggraph last year, whi is the first time I heard Alan Hastings talk about it. Developments in graphics design happen and are adopted by many programmers at once. No one in the Amiga community may take credit for this particularfeature. –Rick Rodriguez
#55545From: Vance SchowalterApr 24, 1993 12:57 AM
I was only informing Peter that Imagine 3.0 was getting a "Bones" feature. Personally, I don't care who-makes-what first for features, as long as I see it in the software I've invested in. Sorry if I didn't state myself clearly. *8)
#55124From: Phil CampApr 19, 1993 3:15 PM
Rick, I think its more than just the VESA needing initing. The F1280 board has the VESA on a ROM so there is no driver to load etc. The LINKS386 Pro game comes with a couple of utilities for showing the VESA status, these all run fine and indicate that the VESA modes available etc. Running Links386 has the same effect as Windows (ie. Imagine runs OK after running Links386). I think the clinching thing is that if you get Imagine running by pre-running Windows or Links386, Imagine will not run again if you quit Imagine, you have to run Windows/Links386 again. There must be something in the state of the F1280 that has to be reset by Windows/Links386 every time you want to run Imagine. I'm sure its the F1280 as I took Imagine and tried it on a machine at work thats the same as mine apart from the VGA card (it has a Tseng ET4000). That machine ran Imagine fine. BTW: I too can confirm that Imagine wont run with MSDOS 6. I installed MSDOS 6 on the Tseng machine that was running Imagine fine, and it stopped Imagine. Its slightly different from the F1280 problem in that on DOS 6 Imagine runs, clears the screen, pauses then dumps you back to the prompt. On the F1280 it never even gets to clear the screen and hangs the m/c solid (ie. no CTRL/ALT/DEL reboot). I can understand the problems Impulse will have getting the PC version perfect, the IBM has so many variables it must be a nightmare. Still, once you get it running, Imagine/PC is VERY impressive. Phil Camp, UK.
#55145From: Peter GreciApr 19, 1993 5:44 PM
Phil, did you get PC Imagine Direct from Impulse or Via Mail order? How Much? Thanx
#55216From: Phil CampApr 20, 1993 2:33 PM
Peter, I got the Imagine upgrade direct from Impulse, the upgrade fee for registered Amiga Imagine 2.0 users is $100. Phil Camp, UK.
#55326From: Peter GreciApr 21, 1993 4:19 PM
Thanx for the info Phil. Now if I only had a 486-DX66 laying around …….
#55150From: William EarlApr 19, 1993 7:08 PM
Phil, on the machine with the Tseng card that you installed MSDOS 6 onto (and thus stopped Imagine), try this experiment: start Imagine with IMAGINE > ERROR.TXT That will send Imagine's error message into a file called error.txt. After Imagine drops you back to the dos prompt, check that file and see if it doesn't contain the message I reported earlier, "failed to enlarge CS/DS init_mem() failed." I've gotten that same message on two machines running MSDOS 6. The message actually comes up on the screen on these two, but it's too fast to catch the whole thing. Sending the output to a file captures it. Using SETVER to try to trick Imagine into thinking you're using dos 5.0 won't work either – it looks like a real memory problem with dos 6.
#55217From: Phil CampApr 20, 1993 2:33 PM
William, Thanks for the reply, it seems Impulse have a DOS 6 fix out which I will send for. Phil Camp, UK.
#55154From: Stan Kalisher (Impulse)Apr 19, 1993 7:37 PM
Phil, the DOS 6 bug was discovered Friday and has been corrected, if you need DOS 6 compatibility, send in your disk for a replacement. As to the F1280, I suggest that you contact Impulse directly with a complete description of your system. They can use all the help they can in uncovering hardware conflicts! –Rick
#55218From: Phil CampApr 20, 1993 2:33 PM
Rick, I can now fix the F1280 problem with a CLS! I will send for the DOS 6 fix. Thanks, Phil Camp, UK.