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#PC Imagine arrives

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#54995From: William EarlApr 17, 1993 4:59 PM
Well, the PC version of Imagine arrived in the mail today. My first impression was pretty bad, and things have gone downhill from there. First, no manual. Okay, I can use my Amiga manual. Second, the disks say "For the Amiga." Not the best way to break into the PC marketplace. Third, and obviously worst, is the program doesn't work. If I boot with my normal setup, which is pretty basic, but does include 386Max as a memory manager, the program says "This software will not run under DPMI, (e.g. Windows Enhanced Mode)." Well, I don't have Windows anywhere near this PC, but I'm willing to play the boot disk game for a company's first PC product. I made a boot floppy that just loads my Logitech mouse driver and the vesa program for my Diamond Speedstar 24 SVGA card. When I boot with that disk and try to start Imagine the machine freezes right after I type Imagine. My PC is a 33Mhz 486 with 8MB of memory, AMI BIOS, and loads of hard drive space. With my regular config, I have 636480 bytes of lower memory free, and 4704K of XMS memory free (using 2meg for a Smartdrv cache), but Imagine thinks I'm running Windows then. Using the boot disk and only loading the vesa and mouse drivers I have 572064 bytes lower memory free (showing why memory managers are so handy), and all of the extended memory free. What magic ingredients need to be loaded to get started? No wonder the addendum to the PC version says "Good luck." You're not kidding!
#54997From: Phil CampApr 17, 1993 6:03 PM
My copy of Imagine/PC also hangs when booted normally, but I have found that running and quitting Windows just before Imagine makes it work!. Since you are also having problems it seems like Impulse have not got their VGA initialisation sorted out yet. Phil Camp, UK.
#55000From: William EarlApr 17, 1993 6:47 PM
Phil, I saw your message about Windows and tried PC Imagine on another machine that has Windows loaded, but that didn't work on my PC. That machine has an Orchid ProDesigner IIS card, and PC Imagine locked up on it at the same place. I volunteered to be a beta tester, but they said they had enough. It looks like they could have used at least two more, eh? :-/
#55019From: Stan Kalisher (Impulse)Apr 17, 1993 11:49 PM
William, is there an Imagine.pic located in your Imagine directory. This is rather silly, but some disks were sent out without one and the program will not run if it doesn't find the file in the directory. If you don't, take any hi-res, 16-color IFF file, name it Imagine.pic and copy it into the Imagine drawer. Please bear with Impulse on this one. There're more PC variables out there than you can "Imagine!" 🙂 But I have run the program on my 486, 33 and it does work. I promise! Let me know if you have any luck. –Rick Rodriguez
#55043From: William EarlApr 18, 1993 9:36 AM
Rick, There is an Imagine.pic file in the Imagine directory. It's 60990 bytes and the creation date is 4-12-93. I trust that the program does work, but right now it's doing nothing for me. Could you give me the contents of the config.sys and autoexec.bat on your machine? That sort of thing needs to be in the PC documentation. I'm willing to fiddle with my startup file settings; most PC owners are used to having to mess with the config.sys to get things working, but you need to include some ideas of what to change. Thanks for being online to help. I especially appreciate you checking in over the weekend to look for messages.
#55155From: Stan Kalisher (Impulse)Apr 19, 1993 7:41 PM
William, Impulse tells me that programs sent out between 4/12-15 had some last minute bugs which have been corrected. To try to make your copy run, use a clean boot disk which only initializes your VESA driver, runs DOS's EMM386.exe and starts up your mouse. As of 4/16, the program does work with DOS 6.0, so if that is important to you, you can return your disk for an update. If you don't mind having the multiple startups, you should at lease be able to get the program up and running till you get the update. –Rick Rodriguez
#55045From: William EarlApr 18, 1993 10:31 AM
Rick, I've made a little progress with PC Imagine. I replaced 386Max with the DOS 6.0 memory managers, and got different results. Now when I start Imagine the screen switches into the hires mode and the following message displays briefly in the upper left corner of the screen: failed to enlarge CS/DS init_mem() failed Then the DOS prompt returns, in regular resolution. This is on the 486/33 with 8MB ram and a Diamond Speedstar 24 SVGA. Same results on the other machine with an Orchid card. Here's my current autoexec.bat: @echo off LH /L:1,35184 C:\MOUSE\LMOUSE.com SER 1 LH /L:0;1,42384 /S C:\DOS\SMARTDRV.EXE E D 1024 1024 SET PATH=C:\;C:\DOS;D:\IMAGINE prompt=$p$g MODE CON RATE=32 DELAY=1 And config.sys: DEVICE=C:\DOS\HIMEM.SYS DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE RAM BUFFERS=15,0 FILES=60 DOS=HIGH,UMB LASTDRIVE=D FCBS=4,0 STACKS=0,0 SHELL=C:\DOS\COMMAND.COM C:\DOS\ /p Suggestions?
#55156From: Stan Kalisher (Impulse)Apr 19, 1993 7:43 PM
Please call Impulse directly so they can send you an updated version, dated after 4/16, which enables the program to run under DOS 6.0. Sorry for the inconvenience! Remember Impulse is attempting the previously unIMAGINEable!! –Rick Rodriguez
#55327From: Peter GreciApr 21, 1993 4:19 PM
The Unimagineable. hehehehehe I guess you mean by the fact that it's a Powerful 3D prg for the Clones that Doesn't require you to decide wether you want a Software or FOOD.
#55362From: Mike StortzApr 21, 1993 11:48 PM
Is the PC version of IMAGINE as memory-hungry as the AMIGA version. I mean, gee! 16 meg not enough?!? What is the program doing, devoting a RGB triplet for each voxel in the world space? Can the PC version use objects from the AMIGA version? /// Mike ///
#55430From: Peter GreciApr 22, 1993 5:36 PM
I dunno since I don't own the PC Version of Imagine. Sorry. Tho Imagine DEVOURS RAM like there's no tommorow. I'm doing yer Average everyday Planet Rippling then Exploding with a Brushmap and 3% Starfield and thats IT and it's is Sucking up 6 megs. I used a Primitive Sphere with 30*30 Sections and mapped a 752*480 rez 24 bit image from the Texture City CDROM on it. Tho I "Imagine" the PC version will be just as RAM Hungry as the Amiga Version, maybe Moreso
#55532From: Stan Kalisher (Impulse)Apr 23, 1993 10:05 PM
Mike, I run Imagine perfectly well on systems with 8 megs. Please describe the problems you're having with memory. As for the PC version, Amiga objects load perfectly. The only problem is with brushmaps and textures. Those must be redirected manually so the program knows to look to PC drives and directories. –Rick Rodriguez
#55542From: Mike StortzApr 23, 1993 10:49 PM
Rick, I don't have it yet, but I was wondering how much more RAM I should install — I only have 4 Meg now *sigh*. Are all the disks shipping now fixed for the DOS 6 and SS24X bugs, or are these fixes only available on request? If so, I'll have to call before my order arrives, 'cuz I've got them both. /// Mike ///
#55566From: Stan Kalisher (Impulse)Apr 24, 1993 9:13 AM
Four megs is the ABSOLUTE minimum to run Imagine. I would really recommend 16 megs if you can swing it. Eight megs will suffice until you really get up to speed and start placing four brushmaps on every object! Any copy ordered today from Impulse will work with DOS 6.0 and QEMM. I believe the SS24X display has been corrected as well. –Rick
#55056From: Vance SchowalterApr 18, 1993 3:35 PM
So, which do you prefer, using Imagine on a 486 or an Amiga? *8) Vance
#55157From: Stan Kalisher (Impulse)Apr 19, 1993 7:47 PM
I prefer the Amiga version because I've got my Firecracker, DPaint, Art Dept., Image FX, Toaster, network, eight (! has it been that long?) years of experience with AmigaDOS, etc. etc. etc. However, the screen refresh is lightning fast on the PC and I do like the Targa+ and I must admit I occassionally run 3DSTudio and I'm really looking forward to getting Fractal Design Painter 2.0…. I guess my answer is that it's great (and very expensive) to be a two computer platform user! –Rick
#55185From: Vance SchowalterApr 20, 1993 1:49 AM
Heh heh! Playing it safe! Smart move! *8D Vance
#55203From: Aram YoungApr 20, 1993 9:10 AM
Can I ask what network you are running ? Is that networking your amiga and pc?
#55015From: Aram YoungApr 17, 1993 11:27 PM
My friend also recently received Imagine. So far he isn't experiencing any problems on startup. He as a plain DOS 5 with 1Mb dedicated to EMM 4Mb remain as Extended and 2Mb dedicated to smartdrv. Perhaps you should create a boot disk without 386max and just load dos memory managers. My friend is having problems with showing the image he rendered in imagine. He has to use another program to view the pic. He has the Diamond Speedstar 24X also. I think there is a problem with the support of the "VESA" capablility that Impulse claims. If you get Imagine working . . .please tell me whether you have a problem with showing pictures ?! Thanks. from the "go between."