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#96439From: Eugene KushnirApr 20, 1993 10:29 PM
Can anyone tell me in details what a Viper 1230 is. Is it for A1200?
#96502From: Paul IdolApr 21, 1993 12:11 PM
Yah. As I recall, it is a board for the 1200 that has a 40MHz (or maybe 50, or maybe it's an option) 030 and a 40MHz (or 50) 68882 (maybe an option) and room for loads of FAST RAM and a battery backed up clock AND – here's the kicker – a 16bit (sight) pass through expansion connector. ICD (makers of the Viper 1230, hopefully soon to be released) are also releasing a SCSI-2 controller to hook onto the 1230's 16bit expansion connector – it's called the "S2" and supposedly will cost about $200. Sounds incredible, huh? I'll get one. Paul
#96574From: Eugene KushnirApr 21, 1993 7:06 PM
Man, this sounds good. I have been looking for a board for my CPU but can't make up my mind. (there are only 2 availabele: GVP and MBX) so if this comes out I am getting it. How much will be the board itself.(not the SCSI controler?)
#96600From: Paul IdolApr 21, 1993 9:12 PM
I'm really not sure. I think it will be about in-line w/ the GVP board – $400-$700 or so, depending on configuration. But it's supposed to be out really soon – May I think – so our questions will be answered. I sure want one. BTW, I hear Microbotics isn't such a great company, so maybe beware… GVP is fine, but there's no pass-thru. Good luck, for us both. Paul
#96627From: Jim Nangano/SYSOPApr 21, 1993 11:10 PM
Paul, On what do you base your negative impressions of Microbotics? I've been a customer of theirs for years, and have received both good product and good support from them. – BobR
#96767From: Paul IdolApr 22, 1993 6:55 PM
Not personal experience. However, when I was about to get the Microbotics fast ram card for my 1200, a dealer friend of mine warned me away from the in no uncertain terms. Who knows, maybe he just had a bad experience, but he suggested that he had had a lot of bad experiences with bad quality control and poor design. Maybe it was wrong of me to post that message, I don't really know. Paul
#96840From: Robert ComerApr 23, 1993 12:18 AM
I haven't had any problems with my MBX1200, and clock module from microbotics. Everything works flawlessly, plus, I like the way they map the RAM. Bob Comer — Cruising the nets on AutoPilot
#97111From: Denny Atkin [COMPUTE/AmiApr 24, 1993 11:23 PM
Paul, I've owned various Microbotics products since the A1000 days, and I'm not sure where your dealer friend got those ideas, but I'll make the bold statement that Microbotics products are absolutely the highest-quality, best-constructed Amiga hardware products I've ever encountered. And back in the days when I was just a regular Amiga geek (rather than a professional Amiga geek like I am now :-), the support I got from the company was exemplary. I'm amazed that anyone could have had experiences that would give them an opinion otherwise. Microbotics products are rock-solid and well-built.
#97231From: Paul IdolApr 25, 1993 9:54 PM
I stand corrected, I guess. It's always possible for individuals to have different experiences with companies than most people have – I guess that's what happened to him. But he was vehement in suggesting that I avoid Microbotics. Well, that's life. Paul
#97135From: Andy LevyApr 25, 1993 5:53 AM
Your dealer is very unusual. I agree 100% with Denny Atkin's comments — Microbotics has always had high-quality products, and great support. I also think Microbotic's Redmond Simonsen has the kind of professionalism in his network communications (BIX, CIS) that all vendors should follow. –apl
#97147From: Mike SchillerApr 25, 1993 10:57 AM
Paul: I've owned several Microbotics products, and they truly are some of the best made products available for the Amiga. If I had an A1200, and wanted to add an accelerator into it, I would sooner look at the Microbotics one than the GVP one. I've also owned several GVP products, and I've had MUCH better compatibility with MicroBotics stuff than with GVP stuff. Also, the GVP card comes with an EC chip, whereas the MicroBotics card is available with a real chip, complete with MMU & all. // -Mike Schiller \X/ AMIGA! On AutoPilot in sunny Fort Lauderdale
#97162From: David PaschallApr 25, 1993 1:44 PM
Mike, What is an EC chip as opposed to a real chip? David
#97279From: Mike SchillerApr 26, 1993 1:41 AM
David: An EC chip is a stripped down version of whatever the base chip is. There are EC versions of the 68020, 68030, and 68040 (there are 3 different versions of the 040 one I think), and each one has something removed from it's capabilities. with the 68EC020 it can only access 10megs of memory total, rather than 64megs? that the 'real' 68020 can access. On the 68EC030 it's lacking the 68030's builtin MMU, and on the 68EC040 I think you can get it either without the MMU, or without the FPU, or without either the MMU or FPU (they might have other designations other than EC, I'm not really sure). Originally the EC stood for Embeded Controller, a chip that would be used to control some ordinary household appliance, such as maybe a Microwave oven, or something such as that. It looks like it's taken on a new meaning lately Especially for Commodore, as they seem to be lots of EC chips being put into Amigas these days. // -Mike Schiller \X/ AMIGA! On AutoPilot in sunny Fort Lauderdale
#97401From: Ronald B. RomineApr 27, 1993 5:10 AM
MS: with the 68EC020 it can only access 10megs of memory total, rather MS: than 64megs? that the 'real' 68020 can access. Actually the EC020 has a "24-bit address" for 16-megs of "space", which boils down to 10-megs after ROM, I/O, and other support chips are mappedinto the address space. The EC020 also has certain support lines removed, this preventing the addition of a MMU. This actually makes the EC020 faster, freeing a support cycle(?) for CPU use. The full 020 has a "32-bit address" which allows 4-gigs (4096-megs), although I don't know of anyone that uses that much RAM. — MS: the 68EC040 I think you can get it either without the MMU, or without MS: the FPU, or without either the MMU or FPU (they might have other MS: designations other than EC, I'm not really sure). The 68ec040 has the MMU (or was it the FPU?) removed, while the 68lc040 has both the FPU & MMU removed. MS: Originally the EC stood for Embeded Controller, […] Embedded Controllers are also used in hardware such as printers, intelligent peripherals, and other computerized equipment that uses CPU's but doesn't need the extended "memory managment" or "floating point math" features. Ron. – ap'ing with AP. (Eagles may fly, but weasles aren't sucked into jet engines.)
#96672From: Jonathan BlackwellApr 22, 1993 1:17 AM
I have always had good experiences with Microbotics… Do you have a beef that we should know about? -Jonathan