#Collecting
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Todd:
I have been out of town for the last week, but I see that the lapse of time
has not calmed your ire. I think that Doug correctly restate what I was about,
although I don't believe I could have stated myself more clearly: there are no
objectionable people, only objectionable ideas.
I hope you are not so intolerant of others ideas that you would persist in
mischaracterizing them or that you would seek to censor them. (Reminds me of
my younger sister, who would claim that her ears are closed when she did not
want to hear and respond to something.) For my part, I'm quite comfortable in
what I have said here, both in style and in content. I, for one, don't engage
in ad hominems; I was criticizing proposed regulations on political and
epistemological grounds. I simply reject the pretense of political elites (or
even sometimes political majorities) to have *knowledge* of what the common
good is.
I think putting ugly labels on ideas (rather than people) is entirely fair
game for the reasons I have given you. My hope is that you or whoever would
see a connection between the idea at issue and its logical corollary or
consequence. Putting discretionary control over public resources into the hands
of an independent agency that is not beholden to anyone and often has its own
ideological agenda naturally suggests the analogy with totalitarian states on
the right and the left. If you disagree, that's honky dory with me. If I'm
wrong (which I doubt), I'll eat my words. I've done it before, and they have
most digestible!!
I have never said or implied that no one has the right to own land. IF I
had, then it might actually have made sense to say that anyone finding a
specimen on land could keep it, sell it, etc. But I didn't say it at all. I
frankly think that the government ought not be in the business of land
ownership and development (or conservatorship). You may think that government
officials often act in the best interest of the governed. Most of the time,
most of them do. When some don't, there is very little chance of redress
because of doctrines of soverign immunity and discretionary agency function.
The situation is very different in the private sphere of life in which personal
and property harms are freely actionable, and people have a reasonable chance
of vindicating their rights.
Governmental solutions are, to be sure, sometimes unavoidable. What I, and I
think Lanny, John, and Doug have been saying here is that we need to assure
ourselves that
1. there really is a problem,
2. there is no private sphere answer for the putative problem,
Mr. Schachtman, this is a situation were we are two men with two entirely
different points of view. So be it then! I do not want to have a running battle
with you!
(Sorry, my long-windedness exceded the message limit)
and
3) that the proposed regulation or law is the least intrusive solution as for
as our traditional or protected rights are concerned.
Disagree if you like, but please realize that there are political and social
consequences of always opting for more regulation. Laws do, as you have
mentioned, have an important educational content. They also have an
historically demonstrated capacity for mischief.
Happy Easter.
Nathan
And I hear that Hitler clamped down on rock collecting, too. 🙂
John,
And Hitler clamped down on rock collecting…..
OK; OK. Hit me when I'm down, why don't you. I'm just an ogre sitting here
with my mineral collection. 🙁
Hitler did clamp down on jazz music, impressionist art, etc. These forms of
expression were "unfitting" for the Vaterland. So, there is historical
precedent for the government deciding what is appropriate recreational
activity, whether something is serious art, etc.
I don't much like government elites encouraging some aesthetic activities,
either. The National Endowment of the Arts' support of R. Maplethorpe's
exhibits is, to my way of thinking, more obscene than Maplethorpe's art itself.
So, no matter hateful my views are, at least I can pride myself on
consistency. 🙂
Cheers.
Nathan
You name it he clamped down on it. Everything but killing.