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#20401From: Bruce WebsterMay 27, 1986 3:24 AM
Considering the public flogging I received in this forum over my ill-considered, outdated concerns over Commodore's financial health, I just thought I'd show up to let you all apologize in person. Or throw more rotten tomatoes, as the mood strikes you (he said, ducking quickly). ..bruce..
#20402From: Bela Lubkin/SysopMay 27, 1986 3:33 AM
Hi Bruce!! No tomatoes here… but, why the title "Commodore layoffs"? – Bela
#20583From: Bruce WebsterMay 28, 1986 10:55 AM
Commodore had a RIF (reduction in force) equivalent to 50% of their total payroll costs [according to sources inside Commodore], including 20 folks at Commodore/Amiga, which (incredibly) included Bob Pariseau. Surely you folks knew about this…
#20583From: Bruce WebsterMay 28, 1986 10:55 AM
Commodore had a RIF (reduction in force) equivalent to 50% of their total payroll costs [according to sources inside Commodore], including 20 folks at Commodore/Amiga, which (incredibly) included Bob Pariseau. Surely you folks knew about this…
#20402From: Bela Lubkin/SysopMay 27, 1986 3:33 AM
Hi Bruce!! No tomatoes here… but, why the title "Commodore layoffs"? – Bela
#20423From: John FoustMay 27, 1986 3:41 PM
Nice to see you here again, Bruce. You apologized for your column being outdated. Isn't that one of the dangers of reporting late-breaking news in a magazine with a four-month lead time? This sort of reporting worries me to no end. For example, Byte has been reprinting ten pages of four-month-old messages from BIX. In the micro community, the information presented in online forums is mostly rumors. It is often completely off-base, if not downright inaccurate, especially in the Atari and Amiga communities, where tech support is not as strong or evolved as the IBM world. I know I shouldn't be flaming to you about this; I do plan to write a letter to the Byte editors, too. What do you think of this? I DO NOT like Byte's growing trend of presenting January's rumors as today's latest news. I read Byte for background. I read InfoWorld for late-breaking news.
#20500From: Joseph ShaughnessyMay 27, 1986 10:59 PM
Please excuse my jumping into the middle of your message, but as an extremely frustrated Commodore supporter and Infoworld subscriber, I would just like to point out that I get more facts about AMIGA and Commodore in one issue of four month old BYTE rumors than in two years of reading Infoworld on a weekly basis. Infoworld writes for an audience that the editors of Infoworld consider to be middle aged MIS managers and who would no more want an AMIGA than they would want any user to own a personal computer "unsupervised". Paradoxically, the AMIGA was chosen as Infoworlds product of the year (People's Choice). Could it be that the editors don't know their audience?? Nah!! Can't be. Thanks for listening. JOE
#20500From: Joseph ShaughnessyMay 27, 1986 10:59 PM
Please excuse my jumping into the middle of your message, but as an extremely frustrated Commodore supporter and Infoworld subscriber, I would just like to point out that I get more facts about AMIGA and Commodore in one issue of four month old BYTE rumors than in two years of reading Infoworld on a weekly basis. Infoworld writes for an audience that the editors of Infoworld consider to be middle aged MIS managers and who would no more want an AMIGA than they would want any user to own a personal computer "unsupervised". Paradoxically, the AMIGA was chosen as Infoworlds product of the year (People's Choice). Could it be that the editors don't know their audience?? Nah!! Can't be. Thanks for listening. JOE
#20584From: Bruce WebsterMay 28, 1986 11:01 AM
Actually, my lead time is only three months :-). And I can make changes a month later than that, when I get my galleys back. But I appreciate your concerns. As for "Best of BIX", your criticisms indicate a lack of familiarity with what's actually being printed. Most of the messages excerpted do *not* include rumors or late-breaking news; instead, they are technical information, hints and helps, commentary on products, or discussion of issues. I find it ironic that you criticize BIX's technical strength for Atari and Amiga, since the contributors include Bob Pariseau, Dale Luck, Carl Sassenrath, Neil Harris, Jim Tittsler, and other Atari/Amiga employees. ..bfw..
#20584From: Bruce WebsterMay 28, 1986 11:01 AM
Actually, my lead time is only three months :-). And I can make changes a month later than that, when I get my galleys back. But I appreciate your concerns. As for "Best of BIX", your criticisms indicate a lack of familiarity with what's actually being printed. Most of the messages excerpted do *not* include rumors or late-breaking news; instead, they are technical information, hints and helps, commentary on products, or discussion of issues. I find it ironic that you criticize BIX's technical strength for Atari and Amiga, since the contributors include Bob Pariseau, Dale Luck, Carl Sassenrath, Neil Harris, Jim Tittsler, and other Atari/Amiga employees. ..bfw..
#20423From: John FoustMay 27, 1986 3:41 PM
Nice to see you here again, Bruce. You apologized for your column being outdated. Isn't that one of the dangers of reporting late-breaking news in a magazine with a four-month lead time? This sort of reporting worries me to no end. For example, Byte has been reprinting ten pages of four-month-old messages from BIX. In the micro community, the information presented in online forums is mostly rumors. It is often completely off-base, if not downright inaccurate, especially in the Atari and Amiga communities, where tech support is not as strong or evolved as the IBM world. I know I shouldn't be flaming to you about this; I do plan to write a letter to the Byte editors, too. What do you think of this? I DO NOT like Byte's growing trend of presenting January's rumors as today's latest news. I read Byte for background. I read InfoWorld for late-breaking news.
#20516From: scott drysdaleMay 28, 1986 12:44 AM
bruce, could you be a nice guy and upload the source to the benchmark programs you wrote? i'd like to test the circle one especially on 1.2 of the kickstart/wb – 1.2 has circle primitives. thanks. –Scotty
#20585From: Bruce WebsterMay 28, 1986 11:02 AM
Funny you should ask; I uploaded the circle routine on BIX just the other day. I'll grab a copy and upload it here as well. ..bfw..
#20607From: Steven BennettMay 28, 1986 4:31 PM
<grin> All that work, and soon to be obsolete… 1.2 finally has a circle (and elipse) routine. I've seen the "circles" demo (similar to boxes…) and it looks to be pretty fast. They also have a SuperBitMap version of the Lines demo, which is cute. –>Steve Bennett
#20664From: Bruce WebsterMay 28, 1986 10:52 PM
I've been bugging Dale Luck (aka "Duck") to put circles/ellipse routines into the graphics libraries for months. I'm *glad* my work is obsolete, since it's so darn slow…
#20664From: Bruce WebsterMay 28, 1986 10:52 PM
I've been bugging Dale Luck (aka "Duck") to put circles/ellipse routines into the graphics libraries for months. I'm *glad* my work is obsolete, since it's so darn slow…
#20607From: Steven BennettMay 28, 1986 4:31 PM
<grin> All that work, and soon to be obsolete… 1.2 finally has a circle (and elipse) routine. I've seen the "circles" demo (similar to boxes…) and it looks to be pretty fast. They also have a SuperBitMap version of the Lines demo, which is cute. –>Steve Bennett
#20585From: Bruce WebsterMay 28, 1986 11:02 AM
Funny you should ask; I uploaded the circle routine on BIX just the other day. I'll grab a copy and upload it here as well. ..bfw..
#20516From: scott drysdaleMay 28, 1986 12:44 AM
bruce, could you be a nice guy and upload the source to the benchmark programs you wrote? i'd like to test the circle one especially on 1.2 of the kickstart/wb – 1.2 has circle primitives. thanks. –Scotty
#20552From: Larry Phillips/ICUGMay 28, 1986 3:11 AM
Well Bruce, I'd like to know just one or two things. 1. What languages were used and where was the source code for them? 2. What was the circle algorithm and implementation? 3. Do you have the address of the person who allowed the unfactual letter from the Atari type to be published. (missile coordinates please) <grin> Seriously, I really did enjoy the article, but felt that the results were pretty much meaningless without the source for the benchmarks. Regards, Larry.
#20586From: Bruce WebsterMay 28, 1986 11:07 AM
1) I used Lattice C originially, then switched to a beta copy of Aztec C for the performance and disk benchmarks (I couldn't get the graphics benchmarks to run; kept getting an "out of memory" error that Lattice C didn't produce). 2) The circle benchmark was a hand-optimized version of the Bresenham algorithm found on p. 445 of Foley and Van Dam; I'll post source here. 3) Don't know who's responsible for letters to the editor, but your best bet for complaints is Phil Lemmons, BYTE, 70 Main St, Peterborough NH 03458. 4) Part of the problem with posting the source was space, a tight commodity in BYTE. Another problem was that I used multiple languages in an effort to get the best times for a given machine and to avoid compiler limitations. ..bruce..
#20586From: Bruce WebsterMay 28, 1986 11:07 AM
1) I used Lattice C originially, then switched to a beta copy of Aztec C for the performance and disk benchmarks (I couldn't get the graphics benchmarks to run; kept getting an "out of memory" error that Lattice C didn't produce). 2) The circle benchmark was a hand-optimized version of the Bresenham algorithm found on p. 445 of Foley and Van Dam; I'll post source here. 3) Don't know who's responsible for letters to the editor, but your best bet for complaints is Phil Lemmons, BYTE, 70 Main St, Peterborough NH 03458. 4) Part of the problem with posting the source was space, a tight commodity in BYTE. Another problem was that I used multiple languages in an effort to get the best times for a given machine and to avoid compiler limitations. ..bruce..
#20552From: Larry Phillips/ICUGMay 28, 1986 3:11 AM
Well Bruce, I'd like to know just one or two things. 1. What languages were used and where was the source code for them? 2. What was the circle algorithm and implementation? 3. Do you have the address of the person who allowed the unfactual letter from the Atari type to be published. (missile coordinates please) <grin> Seriously, I really did enjoy the article, but felt that the results were pretty much meaningless without the source for the benchmarks. Regards, Larry.