CompuServe Thread

Alignment tool

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#50286From: Andre FrechMay 25, 1989 11:09 AM
Commodore makes a disk called DigiLog that is available from service. Send me an eplex message at this account if you need this disk. You'll still need an oscilloscope to do the calibration, however. andre
#50406From: Ethan SolomitaMay 26, 1989 12:24 AM
Andre, what do I do to get the transformer, i.e. IBM software compat.? — Ethan
#50432From: Andre FrechMay 26, 1989 6:03 AM
We don't make it anymore. Legally, I don't know. Now, on the other hand, if you're resourceful…naww, I can't say that on the air, but I'm sorry that it's not made by us anymore. andre
#50536From: Ethan SolomitaMay 26, 1989 7:17 PM
Somehow if its not made anymore CBM can't complain all too much if its copied. But I'm considering selling my A500 and getting an A2000 with BB. — Ethan
#50630From: Don Curtis/SYSOPMay 27, 1989 1:46 AM
Ethan, I presume you said that in jest…but I assure you, that just because a company is no longer selling a particular piece of software it is still just as illegal to copy the software. Don
#51081From: Ethan SolomitaMay 29, 1989 5:52 PM
I understand that its still illegal, but its ridiculous. If they won't make the product, then what right (morally, philosophically, not legally) do they have to prosecute people who copy it! — Ethan P.S. In my case, if it were on the market, I would have bought it by now.
#51091From: Steve AhlstromMay 29, 1989 7:01 PM
Just because a rare first edition book is no longer available does that give you justification to steal a copy? -sja
#51353From: Ethan SolomitaMay 31, 1989 2:09 PM
It doesn't give me the right to steal a copy, but if it wouldn't damage the book, photocopy it. — Ethan
#51362From: Steve AhlstromMay 31, 1989 2:33 PM
Try photocopying some $20s and pass them around. Theft is theft.
#51167From: Don Curtis/SYSOPMay 30, 1989 2:37 AM
Ethan, If I put my car up for sale, and get no offers, so I put it in my back yard and it sits for a year…does that give you the right to come and take it? If I write a program, and never offer it for sale, does that give you the right to come into my home and make a copy for your own use? CBM isn't selling the A1000 anymore, so is it ok for you to walk into CBM's offices, and if you see an A1000…take it? See what I'm saying…what gives you the right to take the work and effort of someone else without paying for it? If it's not for sale anymore doesn't change the fact that theft is theft..no matter how you try to justify it. If CBM wanted folks to make copies of it…they would have placed it into the Public Domain, or posted it to the BBS circuit with their permission to make copies as you wished. CBM paid for the product, and they have the right to sell/not sell it as they see appropriate. Don
#51354From: Ethan SolomitaMay 31, 1989 2:09 PM
The difference between what I would be doing (not AM doing) is that I'm only making a copy, not taking something. Therefore, if you offered your car for sale, no one bought it, and I took it, you wouldn't have your car. The person I would have gotten the program from would still have the program, and Commodore would not lose any money. If you right a program and never offer it for sale, and it has nothing personal in it, I certainly don't have the right to sell it, but if someone you gave a copy to (or sold a copy to) wanted to sell it to me, what is wrong with it. As long as you weren't selling the program, you don't lose any money and it is something that has already been distributed. I might even send you money for shareware if it was good! 8^> Finally, about an A1000: if commodore were going to throw out 10 1000s that collected in their warehouses, what difference would it make if I took one? You can't really copy a computer. This one, though, could hurt commodore (unlike the copying of the transformer) as it might cost them a sale of an Amiga currently in production (500, 2000, …) Do you see my point? It doesn't hurt anyone that I do this. I'm not going to, as I don't have an external 5 1/4" drive which is required. But it doesn't cause any damage to anyone. — Ethan
#51374From: SyndesisMay 31, 1989 5:33 PM
So, as long as you don't think you're hurting anyone, you'll do it? What more proof of "hurt" do you need, than someone telling you "it hurts"?
#51553From: Ethan SolomitaJun 1, 1989 10:49 PM
What do you mean? Who said that it hurts. If commodore doesn't sell the transformer, and has no intention of ever selling it in the future, who could possibly be hurt by my making a copy of it? I will repeat once again that I'm not doing it, but that's mainly because I don't have a 5 1/4" drive, not moral qualms. WHO AM I HURTING?
#51576From: SyndesisJun 2, 1989 1:38 AM
"hurt" is not the problem. That program is someone else's property. The company that CBM bought it from is still in business. It's up to them to decide the conditions by which it can be used, NOT YOU. The program isn't yours to take. That comes first, not worrying about who it might "hurt". It's such a silly criteria to use to determine your actions – by what means do you determine that you haven't "hurt" someone?
#51592From: John DraperJun 2, 1989 2:35 AM
Theft of intelectual property is something that many have yet to see as wrong. Steal a program by copying it, and you have stolen the results of soemone's labour, no matter that the copy does not detract from the original, no matter that the author still has his program. Theft is theft. I work, you take. I am hurt. You work, I take, you are hurt.
#50658From: John SteidlMay 27, 1989 10:13 AM
Ethan, I have had a 2000 with BB for quite a while now. The 2000 is great, but think twice before getting a BB. I can think of a couple of advantages over separate machines–like shared use of a hard drive, and a smaller footprint; but on price and performance you're probably better off with a stand alone Messy Doss machine. With prices coming down, you can actually get a 386 machine with a decent size hard drive and 16-bit VGA for around $2500. You could get a similarly equipped 286 machine for under $2000. The bare-board AT BB is what, $1300? And the standard CGA display on the Amiga monitor is VERY slow. Add in the price of separate graphics display and monitor if you need anything faster than molasses-like performance. Anyway, I don't want to be totally negative, but with PC prices and performance where they are today, I don't think either BB is a particularly good buy. John
#50857From: Andre FrechMay 28, 1989 7:39 PM
Recently I discovered that there is a reason as to why the bridgeboard is designed like it is. If you want something standard I suggest you get one, since it is exactly standard (as can legally be) to an XT or AT. The speeds and drive capacities, therefore, are exactly that of a standard pc: 4.77MHz/360K or 8MHz/1.2M for the XT and AT respectively. Now, about the price. Have you looked at your average bargain AT lately? You can't tell it (by the size) from your dishwasher 🙂 But it is big in any case; the Amiga 2000 box looks puny to many of them. The 2088/2286 is a card; much smaller than many laptops. Now how much would an XT or AT laptop cost? Remember that this is a fair comparison because the bridgeboard give you the storage, display, and input that you'd normally have on another machine. On those merits alone (size, standard'ability) it's worth it. Add to that less desk space wasted, less power wasted, less resources duplicated, and the ease of the file transfer capabilities and use of the hardware cards and you have the best of both worlds. I hope this points out some of the rationale of why the bridgeboard is like it is. It's not meant to blow away your friends. Use your Amiga to do that. But what it does is allow you to get your work done. andre
#50914From: John SteidlMay 28, 1989 10:54 PM
Andre, I didn't mean to imply that there is absolutely no reason anyone would consider buying a BridgeBoard. You certainly can't beat the footprint!! And being able to share a hard drive is a nice feature (if you have enough space on your drive.) I've owned a 2088 for quite a while and never had a problem with it. I've also never had a problem with the virtual MS-DOS partition on my hard drive. All in all, the XT BB is not a bad product. I'm assuming the same for the AT although I haven't used one. BUT, everything is relative. I certainly wouldn't recommend that anyone buy an XT clone these days. There might be a SOME people for whom it would be appropriate, but not many. I mean, how many times do you recommend a C64 over an A500? So, nothing wrong with the 2088; it's just that XTs in general are about as fast and as smart as a brontosaurus. Personally, I also happen to think that any 80286 machine is a poor investment. There are some excellent 386 machines around at quite reasonable prices, and in the long run these will be much more versatile systems. Although the 2286 is certainly a 'standard' AT with a very small footprint, it's not a great deal in many regards. You still need to add a separate card and another monitor (so much for space savings) to get decent graphics. A shared hard disk is convenient, but it's not really free since you can't use the space on the Amiga side. You have a maximum of three expansion <continued>
#50915From: John SteidlMay 28, 1989 10:54 PM
<continuation> slots in the A2000, and the 2286 takes up too much room for one slot (or so I've heard.) the 2286, plus a VGA board and monitor, and a 40-60 meg hard drive, the total cost would run approx $2500. For the same price I can buy a 16 MHz 386 machine configured the same way. And the prices on 386 machines will continue to come down, while I expect the 2286 will always be priced around $1200-1300. So, for some people a BridgeBoard may be the right move. But if I needed to buy a Messy Dos machine right now, I wouldn't get one. As always, people ought to understand their own needs and look carefully before they plunk down their hard-earned money. John
#51118From: Robert TakahashiMay 29, 1989 9:33 PM
Did I hear you correctly! when you said that you could not share a hard drive with the Amiga? Robert
#50678From: Steve AhlstromMay 27, 1989 1:33 PM
Just because a copyrighted product is no longer distributed is no rationale for theft. You might contact the developers of the product — Avant-Garde, publishers of PC Ditto for the ST, over in AtariVendor Forum (GO ATARIV). -sja
#51116From: Robert TakahashiMay 29, 1989 9:23 PM
Thanks Andre, I was looking for a PD program that would do the job. I saw a commercial program call Ami align (I think that the name) that can test the drive speed etc and make the necessary corrections… Does the DigiLog come with instructions? I am just hitting the surface of tech stuff. Robert su