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PD vs. commercial sw

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#23149From: Mike SchillerMay 1, 1992 12:09 AM
Jim: What Ben is trying to say (as I see it) is that if they gave all BBS's programs good write ups, then there's a much better chance that BBS will advertise in their magazine. By the same token, if BBS was a big advertiser of AmigaWorld's, say having 2 or 3 full pages per month, what are the chances that the articles that were written about their products (ImageMaster, and ClickFAX) would have been negative? I'm not saying that the writers are told what to say, only that if a writer was to put down a product of a large advertiser chances are that article would never make it to print. On the same line, if a magazine has a reviewer who always put down products from the advertisers, while saying that some other product was better (either a PD program, or commerical product of a non-advertiser) what are the chances that person would still have a job? Unfortunately many people seem to be of the opinion that if somebody is writing for a magazine that they must be an expert, and that they know what they're talking about, and I've found that on MANY occasions (and not only in the computer field) that the writers don't have a clue as to what's going on, and are telling outright lies while they believe they are truths. -Mike Schiller In sunny Fort Lauderdale
#23156From: SyndesisMay 1, 1992 9:46 AM
It depends on the developer! Some companies have no ethics, and love to see suck-up reviews. They'll advertise there, too. Or maybe they'll simply blitz the suck-up mags with public relations so they get more free advertising. I, for instance, representing Syndesis, do take a long look at the places we consider for advertising or even reviews. (Yes, magazines do not run those reviews without prodding, in most cases.) Or even if you prod for a review, that doesn't mean much. As Ben said, you'll very often get a coincidental call from the advertising department a few days after you make that call to encourage them to review your product. If you think you've spotted bias in a publication, please write them a letter and tell them so.
#23177From: Jim SteeleMay 1, 1992 10:08 PM
How about this idea. Say the magazine wants to review the software in a given area, image tools for example. The mag contacts Ben at BBS, Perry at ASDG, whoever at GVP, and any others that may be out there. They say you have x number of words to describe your product and tell folks why they should buy it instead of the other guy's. Then they run those articles, perhaps with a head-to-head comparison by a third party. Ideally, that third party article should be available to the program authors before writing theirs. I suppose that last might be difficult or impossible given the lead times involved in publishing. Jim
#23182From: SyndesisMay 2, 1992 12:22 AM
Actually, I think a variant of this would be a big help: One magazine in the Amiga market, Avid, has allowed developers essentially free space to talk about their product in an informational way. I did this last summer, in an article that talked about converting AutoCAD DXF files to 3D objects. I even talked about the differences between our product and a competitor's. The article was very informative in other ways, I didn't just spend all the column inches hyping our product. One variant I'd add is a chance at one rebuttal, so divide the space in two for each company, to let them respond to what every other vendor said the first time.
#23201From: Jim SteeleMay 2, 1992 9:34 PM
Yes, I recall reading your Avid article. I found it quite usefull, not that I was doing any DXF conversions myself, but we do have customers ask for that ability. And I did learn something about cad programs. I'd certainly like to see the other magazines follow Avid's example, so long as the author's affiliation was mentioned somewhere. The rebuttal idea is a good one as well. That could get interesting. BTW, since a new Interchange is about due (?), perhaps an another Avid informational article is in order. Something on the problems converting from one 3d format to another.
#23188From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPMay 2, 1992 10:04 AM
In all of the reviews I've ever written (and I've written more than a few), I've never once been asked to change a single word because of an advertiser, and I've never been asked not to write another review because an advertiser's product got a less than favorable review. Steve
#23191From: Mike SchillerMay 2, 1992 1:21 PM
Steve: I'm not saying that a reviewer can't write a less than favorable review, just look at what happened with BBS & Geoffery Williams at AmigaWorld. What I was saying was that if almost every review you wrote was a less than favorable one, and all the products you were reviewing were advertisers, how long do you think it'd be before that magazine didn't want your reviews anymore? -Mike Schiller In sunny Fort Lauderdale
#23196From: Denny Atkin [COMPUTE/AmiMay 2, 1992 5:54 PM
Mike, The only way I'd can a reviewer for sending in a lot of negative reviews would be if the products were being unfairly slammed. All a reviewer need to do to keep work coming his/her way is write _clean_, _clear_, _accurate_, _interesting_, and _concise_ text. Finding someone who can do that is tough (you'd be amazed to see the "pre-edited" work of some well-known folks), and someone who can write a good review isn't going to lose assignments because they're justly hard on inadequate products.
#23210From: Marlene Zenker/SYSOPMay 3, 1992 9:28 AM
I think that if a reviewer wrote bad reviews for nearly every piece of software, then there's a big problem with the reviewer, and the editor(s) should not give them any more assignments. Not because of advertisers, but because the reviewer isn't doing his job by giving balanced reviews. Steve
#23200From: Steve TibbettMay 2, 1992 8:20 PM
>Writers not knowing what they are talking about. Many magazines can't find enough good stuff to print. I think AmigaWorld Tech Journal paid big bucks to their authors to try and attract some good writers – and I think it worked. Their articles were the best I've seen in any Amiga magazine. …Steve