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Mac PICT to Toaster

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#38992From: Bob VannMay 6, 1992 7:59 AM
Dear Fellow Toastmasters: I've had a Toaster 'Workstation' since January & use it in my post suite. Haven't yet upgraded to T2.0; haven't yet added an accellerator. My ONLY Amiga experience is with the Toaster, and I am unfamiliar with Amiga-specific standards (since the unit does not come with any Amiga docs at all). Does the Amiga read/write (IBM-type) DOS discs? My reason for asking is that I also have a Mac IIci, which I use for graphic layout. The Mac is capable of formatting & writing files to DOS-readable discs. What I am getting at is this: Is there any way that I can create a graphic on my Mac (perhaps a PICT file), copy it to a DOS-formatted disc & then import it somehow into Toasterpaint? Anybody here ever do this? I'd really appreciate any and all responses and assistance! Thanks! Bob Vann
#38995From: SyndesisMay 6, 1992 10:24 AM
Sounds like you need to stop by your local Amiga dealer… They'll have magazines that will help you locate other Amiga products that might enhance your Toaster experience. As for PC disk compatibility, there's an inexpensive ($30) program called CrossDOS that comes highly recommended. In fact, it's described in Appendix 12 of the Toaster manual. Check out that appendix for PICT support, too. (I know, I wrote the PICT reading and writing programs for the Toaster, along with Appendix 12.) Yes, you can make a PICT bitmap image on the Mac, move it to a PC disk with Apple File Exchange, read it on the Amiga, and load it into ToasterPaint's buffers. Also see the file called "PICT.Readme" in the Toaster directory on your hard disk, it says more about the PICT process.
#39002From: RAD Moose @ NewTek, Inc.May 6, 1992 4:19 PM
You forgot to mention that the PICT loading is in Toaster v2.0 only…
#39004From: Bob VannMay 6, 1992 4:41 PM
Thanks for the info…looks like I need to get the 2.0 upgrade asap! J. Foust – Thanks for your suggestions HEY NewTek!!! How's about getting a NewTek Dealer here in the Albany, NY area?? Hmmmm..???? My local Amiga dealer doesn't seem to keen on the idea, for some reason (I guess they are into the Amiga for games more than anything else, and haven't a CLUE as to what's happenin' in the world of real video). I had to go to NYC to get my 'Workstation' (Audio Techniques), and they were very helpful, tho over 160 miles away! Bob Vann
#39022From: Jonathan HirschmanMay 7, 1992 7:59 AM
Bob– You might remember me, we talked on CIS briefly…Jonathan Hirschman, I work for Newkirk Products, Inc…. Give me call if you have any Amiga questions. My friend Steve and I do Amiga consulting (under the name Videograph); we probably know more about the machine than anyone in the Capital District. Our number is 463-5317. Caught your booth at the Ad Fax Business Expo, but you weren't in it; did you see our electronic bulletin board, by any chance? Give me a call… Jonathan – via Whap!
#39056From: Brian JonesMay 8, 1992 12:42 AM
I just tried this. Created a graphic in Freehand 3.0 on the MAC and Exported it as EPS. Read the EPS into Adobe Photoshop 2.0.1 and converted it to Amiga format. Wrote this out to an MS-DOS format disk (using a MAC 'DOS' disk program). Read the file in on the Amiga using Cross-DOS . Loaded this into Toaster Paint. I also read a commercially purchased EPS graphic into photoshop and succesfully transferred it into toaster paint. Only three problems . 1) Fonts dont't make the trip from Freehand (convert to paths if you're a freehand user 2) I got very strange results with the color image. I will try white pens on black background next time. 3)You have to watch the drawing size . I will probably try the PICT format soon, also. Also, If you are going to upgrade to WB2, Another message says that it included CrossDOS (figures since I just bought CROSS DOS today and ordered a 2.0 upgrade. Brian
#39065From: Bill DwyerMay 8, 1992 10:24 AM
Alternatives to moving your Mac stuff to DOS disks and then to Amiga are communicating your files via serial cable; Mac2Dos which allows you to attach a Mac disk drive to your Amiga and (best of all) Double Talk, an Amiga board that lets you network the two over localtalk. Folders published from your Mac show up as drives on the Amiga. There's an article (which i wrote) on all the Mac/Amiga combinations in the NAB (last month) issue of Video Technology. Bill Dwyer
#39090From: Paul ToalMay 9, 1992 4:41 AM
Bill, Could you give me a subscription dept phone or address for this mag, the one I have is wrong. –Paul Whappin' from the Wine Country
#39129From: Bill DwyerMay 10, 1992 11:44 AM
Its TV Technology, PO Box 1214, Falls Church VA 22041-9808 – Free for qualified readers (seems just about anyone involved with video is qualified) Bill Dwyer
#39171From: Paul ToalMay 11, 1992 5:30 AM
Thanks Bill, 'preciate it.
#39388From: Bob VannMay 15, 1992 8:18 AM
Thanks, Bill! I'll try to get the issue. Bob
#39104From: NWilliamsTWilson KETWMay 9, 1992 12:50 PM
How can I buy a copy of the Mac/Amiga article you wrote? If not from you, please tell me how to get in touch with Video Technology magazine, a rare creature indeed in the island world of the Florida Keys. Does your article also cover the Toaster workstation for the Mac? Thanks, Tim Wilson
#39130From: Bill DwyerMay 10, 1992 11:44 AM
Its TV Technology, PO Box 1214, Falls Church VA 22041-9808 – Free for qualified readers (seems just about anyone involved with video is qualified) I'll upload a copy of the article to Amiga Arts. It didn't talk about the Mac Totaster 'cause it didn't (?doesn't) really exist at that time. Also, I've doubts about the wisdom of tying up my Mac as a "dumb" front-end. Bill Dwyer
#39148From: Brian JonesMay 10, 1992 9:00 PM
Does text make the trip to the Amiga using the PICT format?? Which Mac pieces of software are you using? Thanks, Brian
#39196From: SyndesisMay 11, 1992 9:03 PM
No, the PICT loader in the Toaster only handles bitmaps, and none of the structured or text-oriented info that can be in PICT files. Instead, you'd be better off in a program such as PhotoShop that turns everything into a bitmap, including anti-aliasing all those structured entities.
#39277From: Bill DwyerMay 13, 1992 4:13 PM
Well, text in PICT on the Mac can be "vectorized" that is, it retains its identity as text and contains data aboput fonts, sizes etc. On the Amiga however everything I'm using is bit-mapped so I assume the conversion program would use the screen-res image of the text not the text per se. I have sent large text bit maps for conversion to 3D models of text using Pixel 3D. I use about everything available on the Mac and have successfully moved Photoshop, Persuasion etc to the Amiga. Mostly, for backgrounds and such I'm using Photoshop
#39311From: Brian JonesMay 13, 1992 11:49 PM
Bill, I have tride moving images from Adobe Photoshop by saving them in Amiga format and then moving them across on Dos format disks. When I read them into an ILBM viewer, I get a format error. When I open RGB in Tpaint, the image is there, but the colors are all screwed up. The graphics were read into Photoshop as GIF files. I have transferred EPS stuff and except for size problems, they come across with varying degrees of success, some are useable, some not. How do you save pix in Photoshop? I don't know much about grahpics formats so I just use the defaults. Any suggestions? Does ADPro read PS and EPS format files? Thanks…Brian
#39330From: Bill DwyerMay 14, 1992 11:54 AM
While I think Photoshop is a terriffic program , I've never been able to get their "Amiga formats" stuff to work. What I was doing was saving the the Mac images as PICT, moving them to the Amiga elcetronically (originally serial cable, now Double Talk network). I then convert the PICTs with Image Link from Active Circuits (201) 223-5999. An alternative I haven't used is to save the PS files as TIFF and then use the add-on package to ADPro that reads TIFF. These days you could save the conversion step by using the Toasters PICT conversion which shipped with version 2. Its a little wierd and clunky but it does seem to work. Bill
#39508From: John GrossMay 17, 1992 6:39 PM
Brian, The reason your IFF images saved from PhotoShop don't work in Paint is because TPaint doesn't accept 256 Color IFF's (which is how PhotoShop saves) A better way is to save them as PICT's and use the ReadPict command that comes with TOaster 2.0. The image will be loaded into TPaint. -JG \Exit
#39520From: R.SATOHMay 17, 1992 10:21 PM
Brian, You can also save it as HAM or up to 5bit IFF image in PhotoShop. This will also work. I have heard a rumor that new version of PhotoShop also supports IFF24, so that would be even better. – THANX R.SATOH ->via Whap!
#39545From: Brian JonesMay 18, 1992 3:05 PM
could you give me version numbers of Photoshop, thanks,Brian
#39575From: R.SATOHMay 19, 1992 3:48 AM
Brian its PhotoShop 2.0 that supports HAM. 2.1 or 2.01 is suppose to support IFF24, but I have not yet confirm this. The earlier version(pre2.0) will support standard IFF 1->8 bit. Amiga can only read up to 1->5bit since the standard displaying capability are restricted. The other 6->8bit IFF are for IBM, they also have DeluxePaint. – THANX R.SATOH ->via Whap!
#39752From: Erik FlomMay 23, 1992 7:49 PM
Pardon me for just diving in here, but does PhotoShop allow you to save to JPEG format? If so, you should export to JPEG format (I got a plug-in to Acquire JPEG, but I don't know if you can save in JPEG from PhotoShop), this would result in image files that are around 75-125K and thus much more easily moved to the Amiga platform. The amount of distortion added by the compression process will probably not show up on the composite output of the Toaster. To decompress the files you will have to use ADPro (or a PD JPEG compresser/decompresser available in the AmigaTech section [search for a JPEG keyword to find the filename]) on the Amiga side. Good Luck, Erik Flom
#39791From: Brian JonesMay 25, 1992 2:46 AM
Thanks again for your help. I don't recall if it is available, but I think it may be. I'll try that. Brian
#39200From: NWilliamsTWilson KETWMay 11, 1992 9:49 PM
I'm afraid I don't know my way around Amigaarts and couldn't find your article. If you could favor me by telling me where to find it, I'd appreciate it. I'm a Mac-based video producer looking seriously into Toasting, and I can't wait to download your article. I share your scepticism about the "Toaster Workstation for the Macintosh," and wonder if the sum won't be more annoying than its parts…
#39278From: Bill DwyerMay 13, 1992 4:13 PM
I can't find it either – I tried to put it in DL14, Graphic Utilities. I try to E-Mail you a copy As to the Mac Toaster, one issue is I can't find a desk big enough for a Mac, Amiga, 4 monitors, 3 VCRs etc.