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#IM 9.51 and DCTV

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#55967From: Peter GreciApr 28, 1993 6:16 PM
Howdy Ben, Got Version 9.51 of Imagemaster and it STILL WILL NOT OUTPUT DCTV images. Please make sure that your Programming Staff has the Current Version. I'm going to put the Old Version back in my Libs Folder and try that to see if it works with the old version of the DCTV Lib or not. Other than that I don't have any complaints. I do LOVE that ZOOM Function tho.
#55984From: Black Belt SystemsApr 28, 1993 11:23 PM
Actually – we've got a ton of people saying "Finally, it outputs DCTV images!" So something is different in your case… dunno what, but something. How much memory do you have – chip ram, etc? And what version of the DCTV library are you using? (version libs:dctv.library will tell you). How big are the images you are rendering, and what size and mode(s?) are you using to render to DCTV? Glad you like, er love, the zoom. :^) –Ben …via AutoPilot
#56015From: Margaret CopelandApr 29, 1993 8:21 AM
What Zoom?
#56047From: Black Belt SystemsApr 30, 1993 12:09 AM
In 9.51, press the Z key (or zoom in the display panel). Now, drag a rectangle on screen – it zooms in, aspect corrected. To dezoom, press the ">" key. You can zoom in multiple times, any amount you like. "That zoom". :^) –Ben …via AutoPilot
#56070From: Margaret CopelandApr 30, 1993 7:44 AM
Whoops! I just got the 9.51 disks yesterday after I posted the message, so 'till then I hadda no Zoom. "Now, don't ask me what Voom is. I never will know. But, boy! Let me tell you It DOES clean up snow!" – Dr. Seuss.
#56080From: Erik FlomApr 30, 1993 11:39 AM
Uh, Benn. Is there a list of keyboard shortcuts for ImageMaster anywhere in the docs? I keep coming across keys that do things in different modes, and it would be nice if I could print up a reference sheet . . . Thanks, Erik Flom
#56081From: Black Belt SystemsApr 30, 1993 1:09 PM
Not in one group; Lesse: General ——- FKEYs – start ARexx macros F1 – defaults to readers F2 – defaults to writers F3 – defaults to processes F4 – defaults to input devices F5 – defaults to output devices r – redraw image z – zoom > – unzoom q – undo p – show/unshow display palette g – saves current gadget screen as IFF image c – saves currently drawn main image as IFF image f – switches filmstrip on and off u – move gadget screen position (this we hope you never need) d – move gadget screen position (we hope you don't need this, either :^) s – swap primary and secondary buffers L-arrow – shifted, alted and naked – pan R-arrow – shifted, alted and naked – pan U-arrow – shifted, alted and naked – pan D-arrow – shifted, alted and naked – pan spacebar – aborts operations that show a cancel gadget on progress bar Morphing ——– L-arrow – pan left image only R-arrow – pan right image only B ——- pan both images AGA & 24-bit Palette screens —————————- w – repaints mixing area white b – repaints mixing area black F1 thru F10 control rate of color mix in mixing area r – redraws mixing area –Ben …via AutoPilot
#56118From: Erik FlomMay 1, 1993 12:44 AM
Wow. . . Hey, cool . . . I guess I should RTFM! :^) Thanks for the list of keystrokes. I was aware of many of them, but there are a few in there I can tell I am going to start using from now on. Thanks, Erik Flom P.S. LOVE the zoom feature! But, missed the docs for the new 'Display Aspect' operator? What's the box-in-a-box wirframe thing supposed to do, and why can I re-size it by dragging the corners? What am I doing when I do this?
#56125From: Paul GerhardtMay 1, 1993 8:15 AM
Erik, The box is a floppy disk! Put a floppy up to your monitor screen. Resize the floppy outline to match the size of the real floppy and voila!, images will come up in the correct aspect ration regardless of your particular monitor's settings. Pretty neat uh? …AutoPilot Engaged… -Paul-
#56135From: Erik FlomMay 1, 1993 12:50 PM
Really?!?!? 'A floppy disk'? I guess I see it now . . . . Bizarre! BBS DOES come up with some interesting stuff, eh? Thanks, Erik Flom
#56192From: Paul GerhardtMay 2, 1993 7:15 AM
Eric Yeah, it is really quite clever. Even if you correct for the mathematically correct pixel size the image might still not be correct on your monitor. Since you are free to adjust your monitor by stretching the image vertically and/or horizontally with controls on the monitor every monitor might be slightly different. Add to that the wide variety of different make and models of monitors and you see the problem. But what is the one thing that is 100% consistent for all IM users? The size of their floppy disk! …AutoPilot Engaged… -Paul-
#56257From: Erik FlomMay 3, 1993 2:08 PM
Now, if this were a Mac product, it would come seperately for $99 and need a special 'measuring square' (also sold seperately) :^)
#56283From: Peter GreciMay 3, 1993 7:06 PM
ARE YOU SERIOUS???????? Put a Floppy upto the Monitor and resize. I think yer pulling our legs.
#56362From: Paul GerhardtMay 4, 1993 5:22 PM
No kidding! Try it . . .You'll like it! …AutoPilot Engaged… -Paul-
#56378From: Peter GreciMay 4, 1993 8:08 PM
I'll try it
#56136From: Black Belt SystemsMay 1, 1993 1:47 PM
Set Display Aspect —————— This feature is designed to provide a way for you to tell Imagemaster about your monitor, video display settings and so on. The issue is, if an image is to look aspect correct – that is, the correct ratio of width to height, not "squished" or "skinny", then Imagemaster has to know just how wide and high your display is. Since this varies with a number of things; monitor size and brand, width and height controls on your monitor, graphics mode, etc.. we have to tell it. It's not enough to "assume" a particular aspect based on Amiga display mode. So, you do this: use Set Display Aspect.. a box appears. Hold a 3.5 in floppy disk (either unused or bad, preferably) up to the display. Now, resize the wireframe box to fit evenly around the edges of the floppy. Next, hit "Apply To All Modes". Then press done, and (important) save your defaults so this information is kept around for next time you run Imagemaster. At this point, because we know the size of the floppy, we now know the size and exact aspect of your monitor setup. That means that Imagemaster has all the info it needs to display an image *exactly* as it should appear as long as the image itself carries accurate aspect information. In many cases, they don't – so you'll go into the Buffer panel, use Set Current Aspect and DPI, and set the aspect to the correct values for the image – usually, it's obvious. You can always get pretty close if the aspect is weird – but is almost always square (scans, mac and vga images) or one of the video res (toaster, dctv, Amiga screens) and we have presets for all of these. If you change your monitor's width and height controls, remember to use the Set System Aspect operation again – we can't tell you've done that aand will display distorted images (sizewise) until you re-inform the program about the new settings. When both of these situations (informing im of system aspect, and individual image aspect) are correctly addressed, Imagemaster displays the image perfectly. You can zoom and etc, and the image *still* remains perfectly oriented. You can "clip" long, vertical slices out of an image, and the new buffer with the clip in it will be a (you guessed it) a long, vertical slice – that looks perfect, and into which you can zoom if you need to, with panning available at all times. One of the things that had been missing from Amiga imaage manipulation software until we did this was decent support for images of a non-video aspect ratio. Our exact/entire image modes were inadequate; other methods in other software also didn't help you out. Now you can actually edit and design images in aspects meant for other display hardware, and the images WILL be right. When understood and used correctly, the exact aspect and associated Set Display Aspect control are going to be a very powerful tool for inter-machine work. Do we take care of you, or what? <grin> –Ben …via AutoPilot
#56158From: Mark SterlingMay 1, 1993 9:09 PM
Set Display Aspect addresses one of the biggest problems I had in dealing with images from other platforms. Fabulous! I'm gonna use an IM 9.50 floppy to set the ratio. P^) Think of it…No more too fat or too skinny bathing suit GIF babes! The masses will be delighted. Goin' AP …..Mark Sterling
#56162From: Black Belt SystemsMay 1, 1993 9:49 PM
Good choice of floppy <amused look> –Ben …via AutoPilot
#56179From: Erik FlomMay 2, 1993 1:58 AM
'A very powerful tool for inter-machine work.' You said it! Talk about service with a smile. :^) Thanks for the straight poop on the Display Aspect controls. I will set them up immediately. Now, was this in the addendum? (I swear, I looked . . .) Thanks again, Erik Flom P.S. If 9.51 is just an incrimental update, I can't wait for v10!
#56204From: Black Belt SystemsMay 2, 1993 1:06 PM
It's just that the term "incremental update" just means something different to us than to some others. :^) The exact aspect display mode does, however, qualify as a fairly simple feature. 9.52, which is retargetable to overlay-capable display cards, has some fairly radical changes to the display section; but again, they're easy to use… we're hoping that either no docs or minimal docs will suffice in order to get the release docs out sooner. We're hoping for 9.53 or 9.54. No, the aspect stuff didn't get into the Addendum (as far as I know). If I haven't mentioned it before, the new documentation will be free; it will be available on request by calling the 800 number; and (of course) will come with any upgrade ordered once it's available. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#56243From: Paul ToalMay 3, 1993 5:07 AM
Can you retarget to the Retina24? Maybe IM just runs normally on the Retina in real time as well? –Paul < Motorola Inside >
#56265From: Erik FlomMay 3, 1993 4:04 PM
Now that I've got it setup, the new display aspect modes are a great boon to working with the images – there's a lot less flipping around to different display modes now. I'll be looking forward to the new manual. If I order it, then order another upgrade later, will you know not to send me a duplicate manual with the upgrade? Should I save you guys some money/trouble by waiting til the next upgrade for a manual? Thanks, Erik Flom
#56269From: charlie badalatiMay 3, 1993 5:09 PM
Ben, Set display aspect is a great Idea. I can only see one problem for me in the future. I have a HAM-E running through a C=1081 which has a different aspect ratio from my Sony 1304 multiscan that I use for IM. When IM becomes retargetable and IP fades away how am I going to switch between aspect ratios? How about IM keeping the config files from IP seperately and loading them with a button in setup panel? Can I already do this? If I can …..never mind. Charlie Badalati APing from Wurselen,Germany
#56316From: Black Belt SystemsMay 4, 1993 1:52 AM
Yep – you can keep the configs separately, under different names. Or, you can just reset it, it's easy enough to do. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#56284From: Peter GreciMay 3, 1993 7:06 PM
I can't believe Paul wasn't joking about the floppy disk held upto the monitor. Blimey What strange new features shall we see?
#56318From: Black Belt SystemsMay 4, 1993 1:52 AM
Soon, we'll make you hold up your… never mind. :^) –Ben …via AutoPilot
#56364From: Paul GerhardtMay 4, 1993 6:51 PM
>Soon, we'll make you hold up your… Ha ha ha ha ha ha <- Picking myself up off the floor:)! …AutoPilot Engaged… -Paul-
#56379From: Peter GreciMay 4, 1993 8:08 PM
Naughty Naughty Ben. I'll have to send the Amazon womans rights council after ya soon if ya keep that up heheheheheh
#56385From: Mark SterlingMay 4, 1993 8:55 PM
Floppy what? Goin' AP …..Mark Sterling
#56146From: Peter GreciMay 1, 1993 4:05 PM
Ok First off I have 2 megs Chipram and 12 megs Fast Ram. I'm using DCTV 4 Bit plane mode at 736*482 REZ. From the I/O screen I hit render to disk and it starts and locks up. Will Check the DCTV.Lib that I have but it's pretty recent, only a few months old. the one that included Read/Write capabilities. I'll experiment a bit more as well.
#56160From: Black Belt SystemsMay 1, 1993 9:48 PM
Ok, thanks for the details – I'll pass em to TS. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#56209From: John GagerMay 2, 1993 2:44 PM
I'm not sure what you are doing wrong Peter, but I just rendered a few pic's in DCTV mode, using the same resolutions that you were (736 x 482), and had no problems at all. Now I don't have a DCTV to view them, but IM and ImageFX loaded them in just fine. The version of the DCTV library I'm using is 3.48.
#56367From: Peter GreciMay 4, 1993 7:45 PM
I dunno what I was doing wrong either cuz DCTV output works fine now. I musta been doing something stupid that was causing problems.
#56397From: Black Belt SystemsMay 4, 1993 11:20 PM
It wasn't YOUR stupidity – it's ours; if you can figure it out, let us know and we'll patch the hole… damn thing should work and not crash, no matter what. Error messages at the worst. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#56480From: Peter GreciMay 6, 1993 1:08 PM
I'll try to duplicate the problem I originally had with the DCTV Render but who knows if I'll be able to. I THINK I had Stretch to new size set instead of resample to new size if that helps any.
#56007From: Paul GerhardtApr 29, 1993 6:32 AM
Peter, I did not yet get 9.51, but I just finished loading 200 736×482 DCTV frames into 9.50, scaling them to 640×400 (so I could use ViewTek) and saving them out. All went well. Maybe you got a bum copy of the DCTV library? …AutoPilot Engaged… -Paul-
#56147From: Peter GreciMay 1, 1993 4:05 PM
VERY STRANGE. Maybe I'm doing something wrong then. It's not the Library otherwise it wouldn't work right in Adpro which it does for me. I guess I'll have to experiment a bit. it's been a while since I actually Tried outputting DCTV images from Imagemaster. BTW DCTV Images LOAD fine, it's rendering 24 bit images as DCTV and saving to disk that is causing problems.
#56193From: Paul GerhardtMay 2, 1993 7:16 AM
Peter, As I said my task was to convert 200 736×482 DCTV frames to 640×400 so I could try the anim on ViewTek. So IM did have to load DCTV, convert to 24bit, and save back out as DCTV. BTW I just got 9.51, and there were two "Disk #1"s and no "Disk #2" in the set :(! I'll have to call on Monday. …AutoPilot Engaged… -Paul-
#56368From: Peter GreciMay 4, 1993 7:45 PM
Can't figure what I was doing wrong but all is well with outputting DCTV images now via IM 9.51