CompuServe Thread

#Rumor Mill

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#98601From: Steve AhlstromMay 6, 1993 9:58 PM
Interesting …. In the May 3, 1993 edition of Digital News & Review there is the following line from the Rumor Roundup section. "… a downsized ex-service tech from Digital told me that Commodore will soon build a most-affordable line of home computers based on the Alpha 21066 chip."
#98610From: Robert ComerMay 6, 1993 10:51 PM
Hmmmmm, sounds interesting. I wonder what they mean by "affordable" though.
#98634From: Jonathan HirschmanMay 7, 1993 2:18 AM
A most interesting rumor. The Amiga does NT? Could be interesting…or could be CBM's biggest debacle yet.
#98703From: Paul RigbyMay 7, 1993 6:48 PM
Okay, we're talking about rumours… What about the rumour that CBM are pulling out of the US? According to a US CDTV developer (whose name I'll keep quiet for now) he says that he's heard that CBM have lost the fight in the US (lotsa developments but the Amiga has failed to gain the market share necessary, competition catching up, etc, etc). His info is strong enough for him to declare that his company is switching to the 3DO, PC CD-ROM and console CDs instead. Any more on this one guys?
#98734From: Denny Atkin [COMPUTE/AmiMay 7, 1993 10:32 PM
I've been hearing that CBM is pulling out of the US since 1989. I don't think they'll ever pull out of the U.S. They'll just keep laying people off until they hit 0.
#98834From: Ron LegroMay 8, 1993 12:24 PM
I agree. However, this rumor is rampant to the point that it now may be contributing to further sales lag. I was shopping in the local Amiga store yesterday and in walk two guys interested in A4000s, Toasters and anything related to video. They use Silicon Graphics stuff but evidently are thinking of spinning off a business and getting into the Amiga. They told the sales guy that they know people who use Toasters. Disturbingly, within moments of their arrival the talk turned from technical wizardry (they seem well convinced of the Toaster's prowess) to stuff on the order of: "We heard Commodore is pulling out of domestic distribution," and "We know a couple guys with Toasters who are getting out," and, "We like the Amiga but we don't want to end up with orphan computers." One rumor these two customers shared was that C= is going to kill off its domestic sales force. The sales guy said he heard that Newtek and Merisel might be handed full responsibility for pushing the machines in the US. Even noted (sagely!) that if C= were indeed to surrender marketing chores, Amiga sales probably would shoot upwards. Nevertheless, the point is, this kind of talk hurts. And I wouldn't be surprised if competitors for Amiga's share of the DTV market weren't busily spreading this rumor on their sales floors. Cutthroat marketing as usual in the computer industry. This is a matter that Commodore Rumor Control needs to address in a hurry, like it did with that nasty Phil Robinson (sp?) column on the Amiga's supposed death last year. It's no fun always having to go on the defensive (just ask Bill Clinton!), but C= simply can't stay above it all and pretend there's no concern out there. Perception is reality.
#98876From: Paul IdolMay 8, 1993 4:06 PM
Is there a person in C= who can be contacted and alerted to this phenomenon? I'm running into it too, in all the strangest places. Paul
#99313From: Paul RigbyMay 11, 1993 6:21 PM
Hi Denny, Yea, that sounds more like it <g>. I just thought…with this CD developer n'all. Paul
#98772From: Mark D. ManesMay 8, 1993 3:17 AM
Paul, As far as I can tell–and I am a Direct Dealer with Comoodre US, they are *not* pulling out of the US market. -mark= Otto Pilot Engaged..
#99314From: Paul RigbyMay 11, 1993 6:23 PM
Hi Mark, Assuming that's true, then it's a relief. This CD developer guy made me think twice, though. No-matter, he's probably been hit by similar rumour-mongers. Paul
#98778From: Paul ToalMay 8, 1993 5:24 AM
Oh yes indeed they are pulling out of the US. They are doing it THEIR way. Buisiness as usual, no big changes. They are least concerned with market share, they would be happy to still be poking out C64's by the case lot. Life is a luxury when you don't have to answer to shareholders.
#99317From: Paul RigbyMay 11, 1993 6:25 PM
Hi Paul, You are a very cynical person, Paul – trouble is, I and every other Amiga user is in exactly the same state. And to think, before we met up with CBM, we were all optomistic, free spirits. Paul
#98706From: Paul IdolMay 7, 1993 6:58 PM
NT? Good god no! NT will run 15% slower than OT Windows on the same Clone. And what's wrong with the Amiga OS? A few enhancements, a little of this, a little of that… But a _real_ C= person at the WOCA show mentioned just that as a possibility – NT running on future Amigas. The thought makes me sick.
#98835From: Ron LegroMay 8, 1993 12:24 PM
Then again, other "experts" are writing that NT is still-born, that Windows 4.0 and Windows for Work Groups will be Mickeysoft's big products. Fear not; confusion regarding future industry trends isn't proprietary to Commodore and the Amiga.
#98637From: Richard EricksonMay 7, 1993 2:54 AM
I wonder if this will be a new line or the new Amigas with the Alpha.
#98642From: Dominick J. FontanaMay 7, 1993 3:46 AM
Could you please tell us more about the Alpha 21066 chip? I don't know much about it.
#98707From: Paul IdolMay 7, 1993 6:58 PM
I don't know much, but here goes. It's a RISC chip that comes in two flavours at this point (if the 21066 is the first generation, which is what I'm talking about) being 150MHz and 200MHz. It's a super-scalar chip, effectively performing 2 instructions per clock cycle, resulting in ratings of 300MIPS and 400MIPS respectively. In a recent PC-Mag feature on the Pentium, only HP's PA-RISC chip was rated faster than the Alpha at floating point math. DEC planned the Alpha as an entirely new design/family of chips, planned to last into the next century. The first generation of chips requires very expensive, complicated, difficult-to-design motherboards. However, that apparently isn't built in to the design of the chip, and DEC plans future low-cost derivatives of the 21066 which will be much cheaper to use – and some of which will include, _on-chip_, and interface to Intel's PCI local bus. So I doubt that C= will be coming out with Alpha-based Amigas tomorrow – the OS has to be ported first. On the other hand, there is that strategic something-or-other deal btw C= and DEC, so maybe we have something to look forward to.
#98717From: Dominick J. FontanaMay 7, 1993 8:34 PM
Thanks for the chip explanation. I appreciate it.
#98779From: Paul ToalMay 8, 1993 5:24 AM
Yep- The DEC and C= deal are suppose to show their efforts in less than 3 years. Lew or Lou Eggcher sumpthin' said at Pasedena that it would be worth the wait but certainly not cheap. He used the term "Home User with big discretionary budget". Neat stuff…
#98821From: Paul IdolMay 8, 1993 11:08 AM
Oh, so they're actually doing engineering and new systems together? That sounds great! I guess that's what that guy I spoke to meant by a "high end" Amiga in the future.
#98655From: Dale LarsonMay 7, 1993 10:52 AM
I've heard from a downsized Commodore engineer that downsized ex-service techs have no idea what in the world they are talking about.
#98705From: Paul IdolMay 7, 1993 6:57 PM
What's a downsized ex-service tech? Not that I wouldn't mind seeing an Alpha-based Amiga, but soon sounds unlikely, and for now, anyway, the Alpha chip(s) available are anything but affordable and require fantastically complicated, expensive mother-board designs.