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#100091From: Margaret CopelandMay 16, 1993 11:31 PM
Figure this one out! I've just cleaned my harddrive and restored it. I have a perfectly good Syquest drive that runs (ran) off of my GVP controller. Now, good ole' FaaaassttPrep won't allow me to make an AmigaDos Syquest cartridge. Amax likes it, I can make a nice Macintosh-formatted Syquest cartridge. Same cartridge, so I don't have a dud. FaaaaaaastPrep complains that my Syquest is not a Dos disk. It used to work with AmigaDos. I just detest GVP software! Any suggestions?
#100139From: SyndesisMay 17, 1993 8:13 AM
I've got a GVP G-Force 040 with SCSI adapter. I don't use my Syquest a lot, but I know it's sometimes taken magic incantations and several reboots and invocations of the 'gvpscsictrl -r 2 0' command to get it to recognize cartridges. And yes, it was a known working and/or even a known formatted cart. And watch your language! 🙂 But I agree, I think I've bought my last piece of GVP hardware, and that's a shame, because I'd always bought GVP from the beginning.
#100143From: Margaret CopelandMay 17, 1993 9:32 AM
Well, the hardware works fine – the controller itself, it is just the controller software that makes me use foul words. I picked GVP because I wanted to run my Amax with partitioned harddrive support. I've had the Amax when I had my 1000 and the Amax for me has been very reliable with the software – no complaints. I made the mistake of backing up my system to an AmigaDos syquest cart, so I've lost a lot of stuff. It shouldn't be this difficult and I consider myself a fairly experienced nurdette.
#100184From: SyndesisMay 17, 1993 5:32 PM
Oh, I was cursing at the software when it did that to me too – it acted like the Syquest wasn't even there. I don't know what the problem was. Here's what I did to "fix" it. I popped out the cart, then rebooted with a second known-working, formatted cart. It came to life on that one, then upon swapping carts, it recognized the one it wouldn't acknowledge a few moments before.
#100206From: Margaret CopelandMay 17, 1993 8:40 PM
Well I called King'A'Prussia. My Workbench isn't quite back the way I like it, so it never occurred to me to look under my main disk window. Support said reboot and I did and the icon popped up as a bad disk. Then I used the AmigaDos Format from the bench. So then it was there. Then I did a cold boot, put the cartridge back in and it was unrecognizable again and it wouldn't format. It hit a bad area on the cart. Now this cart reads and writes fine when I make it a Macintosh cartridge with the Amax. I've used it to ship my artwork. The Mac Syquest formatting program that I use can't find any bad spots on it and neither can FaastForgetit. So I used another cartridge which formats and will show up if it is in the Syquest drive when I reboot. None of the PD utilities to mount the cartridge post boot work. I only have three carts and I'm not buying anymore of them.
#100261From: Jonathan BlackwellMay 18, 1993 12:34 AM
Margaret, I had a similar problem with my Syquest 88. Apparently the MAC software I was using was writing out the bad blocks and the Amiga formatting software (Faaastprep) couldn't handle it. I bought another cartridge and the problems went away. -Jonathan
#100286From: Margaret CopelandMay 18, 1993 8:04 AM
Well FaaastNot! has bad block allocation but it doesn't appear to work. It'll sail through this particular cartridge. It is AmigaDos that kicks on a certain block and stops the format. Oh well, I'll use it as a Mac cart. I have one Amigados one that is working but I bet it won't if I do any changes to my harddrive. I added (when I started this folly), a separate partition that I can wipe out from time to time, to use as a place for my VM swap and large files. Deleting big files does not do much for disk performance. I'm letting Imagine put those proliferous pic files there as I rarely save my test anims. This has nothing to do with the Syquest except to say that it seems to have made the previously-working AmigaDos cart unreadable.
#100302From: Jonathan BlackwellMay 18, 1993 2:24 PM
Incidentally, I used Ami-Back tools to write out the back block on my Syquest cartridge that Faaastprep could not do. -Jonathan
#100356From: Margaret CopelandMay 18, 1993 9:37 PM
That cooks it, I'll have to get one of these commercial programs so that I can do backup more often. I've just always relied on the CLI.
#100613From: Wayne ColeMay 21, 1993 2:01 AM
The other thing I forgot is that if the cart wsa formatted under an older FaaaastPuke it poassible will not recgonize the cart with newer gvpscsi.device. This is 'cause GVP is now supporting a little more of the RDB than they used to and sometimes the blocks per track, heads per disk infor for the wame cart differs in teh GVP software revs. SO the controller gets wacky as it is trying to read the new format that, of course is not on the disk. wmc – via Autopilot!
#100633From: Margaret CopelandMay 21, 1993 7:55 AM
Nope, it isn't that – same FaaastNot!. My theory is that when I reparti- tioned my main harddrive, that it writes some kind of entry to the RDB. It then never can read anything that was created when the RDB on the boot drive was different. I had two partitions on my Quantum. The offending cart was created then. I changed it to three – no SCSI ID changes, nothing else and then it wouldn't read the cart. This is just my theory.
#100612From: Wayne ColeMay 21, 1993 2:01 AM
Oh yeah, forgot – try recovering the disk with FixDisk (QBtools 1.5 version) then use QBTools to unformatt and reformat. wmc – via Autopilot!
#100631From: Margaret CopelandMay 21, 1993 7:52 AM
I don't have Quarterback or any other commercial Amiga disk utility.
#100702From: Christopher TolmieMay 21, 1993 9:23 PM
Margaret, It sounds like its time to order one of the commercial disk utility programs. I'd suggest Ami-Back Tools, but have only used QB Tools. Haven't tried the new version of QBTools either, but you need one of them. BTW, I use a GVP controller and two 44MB SyQuests for the Amiga and AMAX sides, and use the external SyQuest on a MAC II cx and the carts have worked fine. Fast Prep hasn't caused me any troubles. No idea what to suggest to you to fix your problem. I need to know more about your system. If your setting up multiple partitions on a 44MB removable cart my first question to you is WHY?! 44MB to me is the smallest partition I'd want on one of those things. <smile> Please check the LowCyl and HiCyl numbers and sectors, is there a chance these were changed when you did your repartitioning? I've been using 1, and 1274, with 34 sectors, but newer carts seem to get LowCyl=1, HiCyl=638 and 68 sectors, so I edit them to reflect the older settings. If I didn't do that then I'd have to mount them as a different device name, or they wouldn't mount. Chris
#100861From: Margaret CopelandMay 22, 1993 7:00 PM
Pardon, it wasn't my Syquest cartridge I was partioning, no point in that. My Quantum had two partitions on it, AmigaDos etc., and one for Amax. I repartioned the Quantum, so I have a partition for AmigaDos, programs etc., an AmigaDos partition for large files, swap files, and a third partition for the Amax: roughly 40,30,30. This is kind of compacting my Amiga programs but then an AmigaDos Syquest might not be a bad place for infrequently used programs. So…. after I did this to the main drive – my Quantum – my previously running and happy Sy- quest carts were unrecognizable. Now, all of this works but I lost what I had on the Syquest. I thought it might not be a bad idea to use a Syquest for backup but I've lost faith.
#100835From: Bill ThompsonMay 22, 1993 3:15 PM
Want to have real fun… try using fastprep on a harddisk that was prepped with just about any other program ( supraedit, RDPrep, HDToolbox ) and watch all of your data disappear!! It seems that GVP incorrectly reads the start and stop cyl #s and just uses their own idea of what makes up an X MB partition! Fortunately for me I had the RDP printed out for all but one of my drives. I still have not recovered the data from that drive, though I am working on it! I talked with GVP and they suggested that I DL the latest version of fastprep from their BBS… one LD call later I discovered that I already HAVE the latest version. I like their hardware, but their software leaves something to be desired!! Bill… on Autopilot in Womelsdorf 😉
#100863From: Margaret CopelandMay 22, 1993 7:03 PM
Yes, the software is very finicky about other formatting with other control ler software. If you didn't have to recover anything, you'd be better off initializing and starting over.
#100512From: donnellanMay 20, 1993 12:06 PM
Buy a Masoboshi controller??? 🙂 Sean
#100611From: Wayne ColeMay 21, 1993 2:01 AM
Margaret, Did the eame thing with my Ricohs. Some things to try: 1) boot with the cart in the drive. 2) read RDB from a "good" cart, take it out put in the bad one and write the RDB. 3) If you have an NDos Icon, use ADos format command on it. 4) Upgrade to the latest GVP crapware (FastPrep 2.0 and ROM 4.13). 5) use a disk editor to see if the root blocks are damaged or not (physically). If so, get a new cart. 6) if you are 2.x or above on the OS, and running w/o gvpscsi.device in the Expansion drawer, try creating a mount list for the offending disk and mouning it with the ADos mount command. I've tried 'em all and they seem to work under different circumnstances short of physical damage to the disk. wmc – via Autopilot!
#100630From: Margaret CopelandMay 21, 1993 7:51 AM
I do boot with the cart. I can't afford a 2nd cart for just AmigaDos RDB reading. It is working now and seems to be sticking – if I boot with the cart in – the Icon shows and all if fine. I do have the latest EPROMS and the latest FaastNOT!, I checked with GVP. I do not have a disk editor that can check the root blocks and I wouldn't know what to look for any way. I do have an appropriate Mountlist for this cart in DEVS:. It may work for me today but with the way things are, I can't count on it. So weird, since on the Amax-side of my machine, my carts always format, mount and behave. Thanks for the checklist.
#100688From: Brian CowanMay 21, 1993 7:13 PM
Have you considered getting SCSIMounter? (SCSIMT.L?? in the Libs here) It's the workaround for booting the system without a cartridge in removable drives. Run this after the drive is ready, and it will list all devices on the SCSI bus, and allow you to select one for mounting or dismounting all, or only selected, partitions on any SCSI device. Works for me with my 88MB Syquest… // Brian — Cruising on AutoPilot….. \X/
#100693From: Margaret CopelandMay 21, 1993 7:44 PM
I'll try it. I tried another PD one and it didn't do anything. I'll look in the library. Thanks for the tip.
#100751From: Wayne ColeMay 22, 1993 2:12 AM
Magaret, I also found termination a real problem with GVP stuff. For example I have to unterm the internal drive, and externally, term the RIcoh removable, unterm the CD-Rom and term the tape drive in that order on the chain. Bizzaar!! wmc – via Autopilot!
#100862From: Margaret CopelandMay 22, 1993 7:01 PM
Yes, it is a problem. I had one external drive I tried to connect for almost a year. I gave up. Then when I got my used DPI Syquest external drive (despite all the warnings about connecting Mac peripherals to an Amiga) it worked right away. I think this controller works when it wants to :'(.