CompuServe Thread

#Ethics vs. Sex on CDROMs

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#48717From: Jerry WarnerMay 19, 1993 7:13 AM
Jan, Is it even legal to include a virus on software when you know it's there? Jerry
#48785From: JAN SCHWENKMay 19, 1993 9:48 PM
Jerry, I'm certainly not the authority on the legality of viruses. I have a glimmer of a recollection that it is against a federal law but I haven't the time or resources to research it. I assume that the publisher didn't knowingly include the virus (or the explicitly sexual photos) in his "shoveling" software onto his disc to make it a "bargain", and only found out after he had produced his discs. The reprehensible part is trying to continue to sell the discs AFTER finding out. This puts his profit above the safety of others, and that isn't nice. Typhoid Mary was supposedly a very nice little old lady who wouldn't harm a flea. Bosnia is "cleansing" itself. Hitler was "improving" a super-race, and Atilla's jockey shorts were probably just a little too tight. Anything can be rationalized. If it isn't legal, do you think we should try to make it so? Rgds Jan
#48834From: Jerry WarnerMay 20, 1993 9:59 AM
Jan, Ok, so the publisher didn't know about the virus when he went to press. Lets give him that benefit. He knows now. To continue to sell the discs is (I think) a violation of Federal law. If it isn't illegal, then yes! I think it should be made so. Jerry
#48905From: JAN SCHWENKMay 21, 1993 7:38 AM
Jerry, You're right, we should give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he didn't know. But again, you are right — HE KNOWS NOW! He is really pushing to sell his remaining discs, big discounts, etc. Rgds Jan
#48917From: Jerry WarnerMay 21, 1993 10:00 AM
Jan, I wonder who the cop on the beat is when it comes to viruses. Seems to me they should be stepping in here with some charges. Does a private person need to file or is there an organization that does this. Rich, (if you're listening) do you know the answer? Jerry
#48968From: JAN SCHWENKMay 22, 1993 9:20 AM
Jerry, Good question. One would think that it would be the FBI, interstate commerce and communications, and all that. Part of their problem is their lack of expertise in these new areas of crime. I can almost guarantee you that if someone put a virus into a Federal database, they would be involved. See the recent news on the two hackers from England? It took several years and the concerted efforts of police in eight countries to finally catch them! There are new laws coming on the books. Oddly, you can now go to jail a lot longer for some BBS "crimes" than you can for murder. The enforcement part is still a bit confused, however. Rgds Jan
#49076From: Jerry WarnerMay 24, 1993 10:19 AM
Jan, I have been watching the big BBS case here in Ohio. It's been interesting. From what I've read, it sounds like the police have held the BBS to a higher ethic standard than the rest of us. Jerry
#49152From: Bruce CichowlasMay 25, 1993 12:47 AM
The "Steve Jackson Games" BBS case is pretty interesting, too. For instance, checkout BBS Caller's Digest May 1993. -bc-
#49236From: JAN SCHWENKMay 26, 1993 7:56 AM
Bruce, Jerry, This is the case where the FBI got slapped down BIG TIME! Only in Texas, right? Rgds Jan
#49536From: Bruce CichowlasMay 30, 1993 11:43 PM
The FBI did get slapped down, but not nearly as badly as it could have, and also not necessarily for the right reasons. Nonetheless, some precedents were set, and I think they will be more careful about seizing computer systems whose contents might turn out to be irrelevant. I hope the stuff I mentioned about "attractive nuisance" and such made sense. -bc-
#49235From: JAN SCHWENKMay 26, 1993 7:56 AM
Jerry, Isn't it the truth! We do what others make us do! Good observation! Rgds Jan