CompuServe Thread

Amiga portables

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#101189From: Robert MarsanyiMay 24, 1993 6:38 PM
Second the notion of Amiga portables, though I know it'll never happen. As for color being "required", I've been using a green-and-white Apple /// monitor with my Amiga since I got it. I gig with the damn thing, and for that I use a cute little monochrome 9" Apple //c monitor that cost about $60, but it isn't an LCD. –rbt
#101322From: Andrew PorterMay 25, 1993 2:37 PM
Robert, PMJI AT WOC Toronto last November I was speaking to one C= rep and he said that the AGA chipset opened the door to a laptop version (due to power requirements) and that "unofficially" we should see something later in '93. So now it's later in '93 and one local dealer I spoke with said there were NO plans for portables. IMHO, I think that if C= wants to be taken seriously in the multimedia market then a laptop is an absolute necessity. Look a Dolch computers & portable CDI as examples. Andrew Porter Toronto, Ontario
#101374From: Jim OgilvieMay 25, 1993 6:49 PM
Andrew… The chances of you having actually spoken with someone at C= Canada that actually KNOWS what's going on as far as development is concerned, is minimal. Most of the guys there are just sales folks, and really don't follow it in a realistic light. I suspect that's about the same for sales reps of all shapes and sizes. Lew Eggebrecht said that the AGA chipset does indeed paint the first steps necessary if someone WANTED to design a laptop Amiga, but went further to say that this was not something that anyone should interpret as plans for a laptop. He did say a laptop Amiga would be a nice thing to have, but again, wondered aloud if they could sell enough of them to make it worthwhile. As the argument goes, an Amiga isn't really an Amiga without color, and the whole nine yards. To do an Amiga screen justice, you would need a high end color screen. Anyways, I know all the sales reps at C= Canada, and I'm surprised that one of them would have said what you've stated, though. They should know better. Oh well. 🙂 Jim
#101382From: Jorge C. MataMay 25, 1993 8:04 PM
I actually got a picture of an Amiga Portable. It was from Relax Technologies( guys make a lot of mac stuff especially memory subsystems and photoshop accellerators if I remember correctly. I got the literature at Comdex in Las Vegas. From what I read it was an ECS machine not AGA. I think the plan was to repackage amiga 500 or 2000 mother boards into a portable system. This should not be that hard, I have never seen a shipping model.
#101408From: Jim OgilvieMay 25, 1993 10:52 PM
Jorge… Portable, sure. But a portable based on an A500 or A2000 motherboard would not only be large, but it would not be able to run on any kind of battery scheme (save for a couple of car batteries on your back). That's the whole point behind the low power consumption chips, and you'd need them to build a true marketable portable computer. It would definitely have to be under 8 or 9 pounds, and be easy to cart about. I saw a "picture" of an Amiga portable too. It was to be shown at a WOC show, but never made it there. As far as I know, no one ever saw one. A picture of an Amiga portable isn't a terribly convincing thing. All that is, in marketing terms, is a feeler to determine what kind of buying market there would be for such a device. Jim
#101613From: Richard BeausangMay 27, 1993 12:31 AM
Jorge, Funny this should come up just as I was posting about Relax's lack of Amiga awareness. I remember seeing the picture of the portable also but I can assur you the company in question is not the same Relax Technology that deals with the Mac product. -Richard
#101761From: Robert MarsanyiMay 28, 1993 12:36 AM
So, the upshot of all of this seems to be: don't hold your breath. I agree with the assessment made earlier about color, however, that taking a composite output to an overhead or separate monitor would probably do fine. The LCD screen I need for my work only needs to be monochrome, albeit pretty good resolution for large Workbench screens. I know it's feasible: at one of the old shows several years back, I saw someone with a homemade LCD hooked into a 500 (!). In a nice wooden box, yet 🙂 He said he'd strung it together for fun and was trying to convince his company that it was a worthwhile thing to market. They weren't biting. Doesn't sound like much is chang- ing. Ah well. I got a look at a friend's 600 the other day, and it sure looks cute. It's just begging for a little 9" foldup display. –rbt
#101821From: Tom JonesMay 28, 1993 11:19 AM
I would love to talk to that guy with the LCD/500. It always seemed to me there should be a way to use an ICD Flicker-Free-Video to generate VGA signals and feed it to a VGA compatible LCD screen without the horrible R&D expense everyone assumes is necessary to create this option. The first time I tried to get serious on that project however I could only find one company making an LCD with a VGA interface built in and it cost way too much for what it was. Anyone know of a way to find these screens at normal OEM quantity prices? I have a serious reason; I really need to use this for the vocally handicapped to create an artificial voice, and I think the Amiga is the ideal instrument to create it with. I just don't want to put it in a little red RadioFlyer wagon for them to haul around a monitor. The Mac portable has the icons I want to make it easy for them to use, but no built-in voice and much more expensive. If there were some serious business users that wanted one, that helps offset the cost of production and that would be even better. If I had a plan I might be able to get the VA, private industry and government to help. Thanks Tom, Oklahoma City
#102039From: Miguel ChavezMay 30, 1993 12:11 AM
PMFJI, but I have it on good authority that Apple is about to introduce a speech manager in their next system upgrade. I've seen it run and it's damn good. Of course, it occupies about 2 MB of HD space, but hey, it's Apple, right? 8) Couple the above with their ~$1000 Color Classic and you're looking at a decent machine. Miguel ——– AP, AP, and away!
#102751From: Tom JonesJun 3, 1993 5:37 PM
Thank you very much for that news Miguel, I will hope it gets here about the same time as the Amiga portable or a few years before. Tom
#102617From: Ron LegroJun 2, 1993 5:18 PM
I do wish C= would get a portable out the door fast, or license someone to do it for them. Even if it needed an AC cord, it'd still sell. A portable with a MIDI port, color NTSC or PAL out and optional DSP would really be something for multimedia presentations or pro music applications. Or what about using it on location as a real-time titler/effects generator for portable video cameras? The Powerbooks have really helped the Mac market, especially the one that docks in a desktop unit. That's selling to customer needs instead of simply offering them a take it or leave it option.
#102711From: Black Belt SystemsJun 3, 1993 12:40 PM
I agree wholeheartedly. I just bought a 486/33 portable… I took a 1200 on a trip and found that despite the diminuative size of the computer itself, even a small monitor adds unacceptably to the bulk. The convenience of the portable is undeniable and if there was such a critter (portable Amiga) I'd immediately purchaase one – as would a number of others, I'm sure. Portables sort of have a unique market niche; and if there's only one model, that's the one people will buy. I like the 486/33, but the burden of having to learn new tools for the things that I need to do on the road is something that I blame on CBM in the wee hours of the morning. :^( –Ben …via AutoPilot
#102796From: Christopher TolmieJun 3, 1993 11:29 PM
Ben, My next Amiga computer would be a laptop, TOMORROW!, if it were available. Chris
#102831From: Dominick J. FontanaJun 4, 1993 4:55 AM
Chris, I second the Amiga laptop idea! Dom Fontana –> Sent from NY via AP <–
#102852From: Frank RogelJun 4, 1993 8:30 AM
Mine too. I am dying to get my hands on one. I told my dealer that if C= would release a laptop I would be the first in line to buy it.
#102904From: Christopher TolmieJun 4, 1993 4:25 PM
Frank, I think a few extra million Amigas could be added to sales real fast if C= would release an '030 laptop, color or no color display. Just include the ports for it on the back. Chris
#103117From: Frank RogelJun 7, 1993 12:50 PM
Your probably right but I would definitely prefer color. I know it would cost more but an Amiga without color just doesn't seem right to me. I'd still buy a monochrome version but I wouldn't like it as much.
#102826From: Jonathan BlackwellJun 4, 1993 3:43 AM
I would even buy a monochrome Amiga just to do letters etc… -Jonathan
#102886From: Brian CowanJun 4, 1993 1:29 PM
I would as well, assuming that there was the ability to hook it to an external color monitor (HDD-15 for multisync, composite or RF for TV hookups). A 1200-like laptop would be enough for me — now. Later, who knows? God knows the 1200's power requirements are almost low enough for battery-powered use.
#101485From: Andrew PorterMay 26, 1993 2:20 PM
Jim, It's possible the guy I spoke to didn't know what he was talking about but he seemed to be quite knowledgable. Perhaps back in November they where throwing around the idea of a laptop and then decided not to. So, there I got my hopes up all fur nuthin' 8( . The colour argument definitely has some validity but I'd think that the majority of multimedia uses for a laptop would be either a portable multimedia system that would be hooked up to a conference display or overhead colour LCD. That would be taken care of with colour output (as with the 1200). It could also be used by itself for presentations where the colour screen would be more useful. For me, the main reason for a laptop is to be more productive for doing the boring stuff like writing, planning and data entry. Of coarse, those are the areas that are currently shrinking compared to video, etc. The Amiga, however, can not survive on just the vertical markets, I believe. C= needs the support of the "common" people and laptops ARE popular. Why couldn't they implement a single system with optional, detachable displays (grey scale, pastive matrix and active matrix.) They would be innovative in the laptop industry (providing upgradability) and they could position it in different sectors of the market. I know for myself that the next computer I buy may be a PC laptop instead of an AGA Amiga. If that happens to other people then it's that much less money on Amiga products and a shift away from Amiga. But then, on the other hand, the 1200 is semi-portable so perhaps C= thinks that is sufficient. I guess it's better not to have it than to have C= lose R&D money on a peripheral product that may or may not be accepted. Andrew,
#101741From: Wayne ColeMay 27, 1993 11:31 PM
> an Amiga isn't really an Amiga without color, and the whole nine yards. Guess CBM forgot that when they made that 2042 or whatever, mono monitor.:^} wmc – via Autopilot!
#101757From: Jim OgilvieMay 28, 1993 12:09 AM
Wayne… Yeah. The 2024. That was a really cheezy solution for dtp type folks. It obviously didn't fly. Jim
#101956From: Black Belt SystemsMay 29, 1993 12:52 PM
Jim, Perhaps the reason why it didn't fly is because we've only recently gotten s/w that would have made it useful. –Ben …via AutoPilot