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#Help with HD Install

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#84323From: Frank RogelJan 9, 1993 12:27 AM
I am having some trouble low-level formatting a new hard drive I just got. Actually it is an older hard drive that I saved from the scrap heap. This is a 300 Meg drive and seems to work fine but here is the problem. I enter the information into HDToolbox (I have a 3000) and try to low-level format the drive and it just sits there and doesn't do anything. The drive is a CDC-Wren 94171-300. This drive is now through Seagate but they were of no help to me. The information I have is 1,412 Cylinders, 9 Heads, 586,763 blocks on the drive. Any help would be appreciated. Also when I run HDToolbox the manual says something about a list of drives coming up in the Change Drive Type window I never get a list does anyone else?
#84336From: Don Curtis/SYSOPJan 9, 1993 3:02 AM
Frank, How long are you waiting for it when it just sits there? It'll probably take a half hour or so to low level format that drive, and you'll get no indication of it being done other than the program will return. My HDParms program shows it as having 1365 cylinders and 9 heads. Let HDToolbox read the information from the drive. You'll only get drive types if you've set up the drive type database that HDToolBox uses (and saves on exit). It's in sys:tools as "drive definitions" Don
#84355From: Frank RogelJan 9, 1993 10:49 AM
Well the reason I say it just sits there is because when I formatted by Quantum at least the drive light was on. With this one the drive light doesn't stay on. It comes on for a few seconds then goes off. As for the cylinders information I got that directly from Seagate tech support. I guess I can try 1365 and 9 heads but I don't think it will make any difference. It also just hangs if I try to verify the drive with the same conditions, no drive light, etc… I also don't have any file named "drive definitions" in SYS:TOOLS except for the one I created when I set up this drive. I would like to find that database.
#84502From: Don Curtis/SYSOPJan 10, 1993 12:23 AM
Frank, As I said…I'd suggest you have HDToolBox create the entry for the Wren by reading the parameters from the drive itself. At least that way you know it's correct. Many drives don't turn on the drive activity LED when doing a low level format. The Activity LED usually is indicative of activity on the SCSI Bus so the initial flashes you noted are the commands being passed. The drive then goes off-line and does the format…so no activity LED since as far as the SCSI bus is concerned…there's no activity on the bus…it's all being handled in the drive itself. I believe the original drive database only had the Quantums that came with the A2000HD series in it…others the user enters by hand or by having the information read from the drive itself. Don
#84618From: Frank RogelJan 10, 1993 7:59 PM
Well I'll let the first one go since I told you what the drive reported in another message. As for the drive activity LED, ok I'll buy that but it also doesn't come on when doing a verify data on the drive either. Thanks for the information about the drive database. Sheesh, all these questions I have for you…
#84411From: Frank RogelJan 9, 1993 3:54 PM
BTW, this is what HDToolbox read from the drive: 1326 – Cylinders 1 – Head 483 – Blocks per Track 483 – Blocks per Cylinder ————————– 312 – Megabytes It still doesn't work. Help!!!
#84506From: Don Curtis/SYSOPJan 10, 1993 12:52 AM
Frank, How do you have the drive jumpers set…including Parity and TermPower jumpers? Don
#84616From: Frank RogelJan 10, 1993 7:57 PM
Hmm, I'll have to take it apart and find out. How should they be set? I think the TermPower is coming from the SCSI bus not the drive power. Sorry about all the questions.
#84655From: Don Curtis/SYSOPJan 10, 1993 11:57 PM
Frank, I've got the parity jumper off, the term power jumper set to take from the interface cable and I've got the motor start jumper off. Don
#84792From: Frank RogelJan 12, 1993 10:33 AM
I just took the case apart changed the jumpers to the way you specified and tried to low-level format the drive again but to no avail. I let it sit there for quite awhile and I couldn't even hear the drive working. I think it ran for about 30 mins but I never once heard the heads stepping across the drive. Yes, I put my ear down real close to the drive and listened and should have heard something stepping because it is not the quietest drive around when it is stepping. Help! Don't get me wrong the drive works without low-level formatting it, I would just like to format the drive to refresh the format. Could this drive be like an IDE drive and you don't low-level it. The drive came out of an old 386i Sun workstation/server.
#84795From: Tony MoriJan 12, 1993 10:50 AM
the way you tell if it's an IDE, is that it has a single, 40-pin cable. SCSI drives use a 15-pin cable, and MFM, RLL, and ESDI drives use 2 cable: a 20-pin cable for data, and a 34-pin (same width as floppy cable) cable for control. Tony
#84796From: Tony MoriJan 12, 1993 10:50 AM
uh…i musta typo'd on that last message..>SCSI uses a 50 pin cable
#84801From: Frank RogelJan 12, 1993 12:22 PM
I understand that. I know the drive is SCSI! I was just wondering if maybe THIS drive behaved like IDE in the fact that you might not be able to low level format the hard drive. I am 100% sure it is a SCSI drive. If that was not clear I apologize. I am currently using it in my A3000 off the SCSI port but I just wanted to low-level format it.
#84855From: Dave CinegeJan 13, 1993 12:57 AM
You can low level a SCSI with out a problem….you can also low level IDE drives but you need a program specificly for doing that. Dave Elite MicroComputers – via Whap!
#84860From: Tony MoriJan 13, 1993 1:15 AM
Hmmmm…..(thnking)…..can't remember any SCSI's you can't low-level….only **SOME** IDE's can't be low-levelled, because the manufacturer didn't WANT them to be able to, so they kinda' "hacked" the command for low-levelling. It is POSSIBLE, but, normal low-levellers won't be able to. For example, on the seagate BBS, I beleive they have low-levelling programs for their IDE drives. as for SCSI, I haven't experienced any. Even tho' I've messed with MANY, MANY drives on the market, doesn't mean it isn't possible. Impossible to know ALL the drives! <would be nice, tho'!!!> Tony
#84858From: Don Curtis/SYSOPJan 13, 1993 1:06 AM
Frank, Yes…there are SCSI drives that say they'll do a low level format, but in actuality…all they do is acknowledge the request…then immediately return. So it's either doing the format..or hung for one reason or another…If you waited 30 minutes…and got no activity that you were aware of…then yes, I'd suspect it's hung. You might want to try a different program…I've got one up here in Lib 11 (I believe) called SFMT.ARC. It's a SCSI low level formatter, BUT you've got to know what you're doing so you don't accidently tell it to low level the wrong drive. Don
#84880From: Frank RogelJan 13, 1993 8:25 AM
Thanks, I'll download the file and try it out. Hey you don't have to worry about formatting the wrong drive cause you have a backup right! <G>
#85384From: Frank RogelJan 17, 1993 12:14 AM
I downloaded your program SFMT.ARC and ran it in the morning before I went to work and lo and behold when I got home it was done. I then tried HDToolBox and it only took 20 minutes to low-level the drive. Thanks for you help!
#85398From: Don Curtis/SYSOPJan 17, 1993 1:33 AM
Frank, Great! Glad to have been of assistance. SFMT doesn't do anything but issue a FORMAT command to the drive via SCSI_DIRECT, which is what HDToolBox should also be doing…but for some strange reason…others have reported the same experience you have…SFMT has worked while HDToolBox hasn't. Don
#84859From: Don Curtis/SYSOPJan 13, 1993 1:13 AM
Frank, Oh…if you want to try a non-destructive test to make sure you've got the parameters right…you can also look for HDTEST.ARC (also in Lib 11 I believe) that requires the same parameters..(plus some more…just tell it one cylinder, ten head, ten sector per track for a quickie test). That way you can look at the drive activity LED and make sure you've got the unit number and device name correct. Don