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CD-ROM-XA (Bridge)

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#48286From: Peter S GardosMay 13, 1993 7:18 AM
Your explanation of CD-XA was in line with what I have always heard, but somehow I am still confused about why then a CD-ROM XA player can't play a CD-I disk. Any explanation of that would be most appreciated. Thanks. Peter
#48750From: Matt Seitz (Meridian DatMay 19, 1993 4:24 PM
There are anumber of subtle differences between CD-I format and CD-ROM XA format: 1. The first track (Track 0) of any Compact Disc contains a table of contents. This table lists all the tracks on the disc. On a CD-I disc, the data tracks are omitted from the table of contents. This can prevent a CD-ROM XA player from being able to read the data tracks of a CD-I disc. 2. The table of contents also contains a flag that says whether a disc is an ordinary CD (CD-DA or CD-ROM), a CD-I disc, or an CD-ROM XA disc. A CD-ROM XA drive can check this flag and refuse to play a CD-I disc. 3. The directory tree of a CD-ROM XA disc is stored in an ISO 9660 compatible format. The directory tree of a CD-I disc uses a mutated version of ISO 9660 that breaks some of the ISO rules. This can prevent an XA compatible driver from reading a CD-I disc. 4. The CD-I format defines an additional audio file format that CD-ROM XA drives are not required to support. That's all I can think of off the top of my head. There may be others.
#48781From: Glen ChapmanMay 19, 1993 9:01 PM
Matt, How about the whole issue of CD-I Graphics, DYUV, 555, CLUT 4,7, and 8. just for formats of graphics. Then there is the problem of Multiple overlayable and transparent graphics planes in different formats. Then there is the whole issue of the Line and field special effects table. At one point I thought I knew how a lot of it could be done, but then got to thinking about what the Philips and Sony lawyers might have to say about doing it ! Glen Chapman
#49084From: Matt Seitz (Meridian DatMay 24, 1993 11:53 AM
You're absolutely right. CD-I graphics format is from different from XA graphics format.
#49164From: Glen ChapmanMay 25, 1993 8:11 AM
Matt, Was there ever a real XA graphics format? I thought its was sort of "heres a sector type, put stuff in it, and good luck when it comes off the disc. Glen
#49223From: Rich Bowers/OPAMay 26, 1993 12:05 AM
Glen: And they accuse publishers of putting out "shovelware?" Seems to me Philips et al have been shovelling a bit for quite a while! International standard, right! Best – Rich
#49244From: Glen ChapmanMay 26, 1993 9:11 AM
<<International standard, right! >> Right, just like flying a flag upside down and sending . . . – – – . . . in morse code! Glen
#49308From: Sandy BaranMay 26, 1993 11:26 PM
There are specific video formats defined within the sub header. 8 bit CLUT 640*480 and 320*200 etc. There is also a user defined bit if the user wants to do his own thing. These are all in the Yellow book ISO 9660 extension.
#49354From: Matt Seitz (Meridian DatMay 27, 1993 7:20 PM
<Entering Nit Pick mode> I think your reference to the CD-ROM XA spec as "the Yellow book ISO 9660 extension" may confuse people into thinking XA is the one and only Yellow Book and ISO 9660 extension. While CD-ROM XA is an extension to both the Yellow Book and the ISO 9660 spec., there are many others. XA is simply one Yellow Book and ISO 9660 extension. As long as picking nits, the term Yellow Book is really obsolete. The Yellow Book was Philips's and Sony's original proprietary proposal for a CD-ROM format. It is superseded by the newer international CD-ROM standard, ISO/IEC 10149. Yellow Book is sort of like the High Sierra directory format: the original draft proposal by the industry leaders. ISO/IEC 10149 is like ISO 9660; it's the final, open, international standard. However, ISO/IEC 10149 is much closer to the draft Yellow Book standard than ISO 9660 is to the draft High Sierra standard.
#49355From: Matt Seitz (Meridian DatMay 27, 1993 7:22 PM
Early draft versions of the XA spec. did not define a video data format. The current May 1991 version does include a graphics standard.
#49360From: Glen ChapmanMay 27, 1993 8:27 PM
Matt, Is this still the raw bit stream that Sandy mentioned, or has something worthwhile been added? Partial apologizes to Sandy and others, some of my last few comments have been in jest. A "REAL" XA would be superb, especially the audio. If SONY would have completed it, and the XA spec had encompassed a more comprehensive graphics set, like the Green Book did, we would have something worth using. Since I seem to be in semi-FLAME mode tonight, Why does Phillips and Sony let the XA name/logo, whatever, be associated with what vendors today are calling XA compatable. To me XA compatable should imply an ADPCM decoder somewhere in the data path, and the hardware level flags to triage a CD Data stream. Kodak will/may be real XA some day, but excluding multi-session stuff, they are still doing 2048 reads via the normal IOCTL interface. FLAME OUT.. Glen Chapman
#49413From: Matt Seitz (Meridian DatMay 28, 1993 3:38 PM
Yep, this is the CLUT bitmap bitstream. None of the fancy video effects of CD-I.