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#Ethics vs. Sex on CDROMs

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#49039From: Chris NessMay 23, 1993 9:32 PM
Forcing labeling is not censorship. It is informed purchasing. You referred earlier to shovelware. That is an apt description; they just shovel the junk on the disk. There is seldom a folder inside with any kind of description and almost never a description or list on the outside that can be read through the shrink wrap. Are you listening Walnut Creek? We just want to know what we are buying. Period. There are now enough offerings that we can start to be a little choosier. I eagerly await your review disk since the manufacturers won't tell me what they are selling. I am still interested in being one of your reviewers, but have held off asking for a disk to review until I see some of the ones from your first offering and get a better feel for your format. You have my address. If you would like to send me a xerox of a couple of your favorites, I have a couple of diskettes that I already own that I would like to review (both bad & good). You didn't say, but are you going to be publishing multiple reviews of the same items to allow for differing opinions? (i.e. _Mammals_ The whole world seems to love it. I hate it.) Perhaps you will have a letters to the editor? thanks, chris
#49066From: JAN SCHWENKMay 24, 1993 8:10 AM
Chris, Forced labeling is odious to me as it implies (proves) that the publishers' wont accept their responsibilities on their own. That is, I recognize, an attribute of the human race–I have just been hoping that the computer community would be of a higher cut. Ah, well … We are rushing madly to get our review disc out the door. Yes, there will be multiple reviews on many of the titles and our goal is to provide multiple reviews on every title. We also intend to allow the publisher to rebut and we will publish comments, critiques, and letters both about the title, the publisher, the reviewer, and personal experiences. My goal is to inform and to provide a public forum where feedback can positively affect the product. I ask all our reviewers to substantiate their comments. I also ask them for a "pro" and a "con" which forces them to take both sides of the issue. Saying that a disc is good or bad carries far more weight if the reasons are given. One cannot evaluate another's opinions, but we can certainly agree or disagree with the reasons expressed. You are welcome to become a reviewer, or even a reviewer of the reviewers, if you like. Several of our reviewers have written many reviews. If one were to read all the reviews written by a specific reviewer, it would be possible to draw an opinion as to that reviewer's objectivity, and even perception. It will be impossible, however, to predict whether a reviewer will like or dislike a specific title, however. We have a wonderful new technology. I think that it behooves anyone that understands and appreciates it, to help nurture it. Rgds Jan
#49387From: jack velteMay 28, 1993 7:03 AM
Chris, YES, we *are* listening! You want a better description of the contents of the disc on the backliner? Is that right? Or you want a better description on the booklet? What kind of information do you want exactly? Even the directories on the disc takes up more room than there is available. It's really hard to describe 600 meg of stuff in one 1/4 size page… We have had a problem with the long lead time of printing the booklet and backliner verses the shorter lead time of producing the disc. I think we have solved at least part of that problem. Yes, we *are* listening and DO want to produce products you like. -jack Walnut Creek CDROM
#49472From: Chris NessMay 29, 1993 5:49 PM
For all my bitching, the worst part is that Walnut Creek is BETTER than most! What I want though is some idea of what is on the disk. I know that the directories alone would exceed the available space on the crystal box. But I want some idea of what I am buying. There is a disk I thought was yours and may be the one that sounds like you 😉 that is "Internet Software". Is this Waffle, UUCP or someother uucp emulator or is it binaries that have been distributed on the internet? You are reaching the point that the record companies reached decades ago. There are now enough disks that we are not thankful just to have something to run but can choose only the best of the offerings. Thank you for bringing your price down to the point where I can gamble a little and try things. I cannot afford to try them all. I will continue to add many disks to my collection. Now I am ready for data and not just more shareware. I have purchased the US Code from the US Printing Office and I have the ProPhone from ProCD. I am contemplating the US Coast and Geodetic Survey map disks 4 for $200. I have the _Greatest Books Collection_ from World Library Inc. although that one doesn't have all I want. I know I am speaking for a minority. I want my CDs to be a ready access to supplemental knowledge and not merely another source of Gee Whiz. I have a pile of Walnut Creek discs on my desk and I hope to add to them. thank you, chris
#49577From: jack velteMay 31, 1993 5:38 PM
Chris, Thanks for the advice. While not all positive, it wasn't so negative at all! 🙂 On the backliner of the disc we TRY to describe the contents. How can we do better? There just isn't physical room to do the contents justice. A cdrom holds too much stuff. How can we describe the contents better? I'm sure your complaint is a common one and we NEED to address it. The "internet connection" disc is NOT ours. I don't know what's on it. Thanks for the positive comments on our prices. Yes, we try to maintain a reasonable price. -jack