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#142527From: Andrew FarrellMay 3, 1994 10:26 AM
The number of new messages around this forum is making keeping track of new developments difficult. I propose we establish this thread to contain:- 1. News that has been confirmed from a reliable source. 2. Nothing else. 3. No additional comments. To kick things off, I spoke with Electronic Design today and confirmed the information they gave me with other Amiga product distributors in Europe. The information is first hand from Commodore Germany's Marketing Director, and Managing Director – I got the same message from several reliable sources. They all said that according to Commodore Germany, an Asian or Japanese company is in the throws of finalising arrangements to buy seven companies, including Commodore/Amiga U.K, Commodore Germany, Italy, and Canada. Commodore Germany are saying the transaction should be finalised within 10 days. They were not able to name the company. Some sources are saying Commodore Asia/Pacific management has suggested staff look for other work. They are almost completely out of stock, and appear to be unlikely to ride out the time between now and when any official announcements are made. Additionally, Compu-Aid, the company responsible for supplying spare parts and warranty support in Australia have been hurt by the collapse of a major retail chain in Australia (Brashes) and it is possible they may face closure. The Amiga situation downunder is poor. Confidence amongst dealers is fair. I also rang Commodore Business Machines West Chester number and tried to speak with Hock Tan. Instead of being transferred to his number, my call was taken by a security person who said something about another office closing, and that this office would also be closed within a couple of days. To make matters worse he said "Commodore is history". Commodore U.K's M.D. was too busy to accept calls, but a local software publisher said consumer confidence was excellent (most are not aware what is now happening) and dealer confidence was still very strong despite their knowledge of Commodore's problems. A GVP marketing person I spoke to also sounded optimistic when I spoke to him directly yesterday. Regards, Andrew Farrell Editor, Australian Amiga Review
#142531From: Steve AhlstromMay 3, 1994 11:32 AM
Andrew, You said … >>an Asian or Japanese company is in the throws of finalising >>arrangements to buy seven companies, including Commodore/Amiga U.K, >>Commodore Germany, Italy, and Canada Well, if true, that's fine … but it means absolutely nothing. From what you've said, this mystery Asian benefactor is purchasing an in place marketing and distribution network. The marketing companies do not produce anything. They buy (bought) product from CIL and sold that product. If those companies are purchased, what will they sell? The widgets that the Asian buyer produces.
#142652From: Andrew FarrellMay 3, 1994 5:55 PM
Sorry, I posted the message at 1.30am my time… and missed out some important things. According to Commodore Germany the company has is also purchasing the rights to the Amiga technology, associated trade marks… etc etc Yes you're right, but the low down is that they have landed the whole lot, not just a distribution netwrok.
#142728From: J Saperstein/FontBankMay 3, 1994 9:49 PM
According to Commodore's last annual report, all of the subsidiaries are wholly owned by Commodore. Do you have any factual information as to when they were spun or sold off so as to become independent entities? Most bankruptcy and liquidation laws have provisions against preferential transfers. Unless Commodore's annual report misstated the ownership arrangements of the subsidiaries, what seems to be described here is a conveyance undertaken to defraud creditors, a criminal act under many circumstances in the United States and most of Europe. According to one report, the mysterious Japanese buyer and Commodore agreed to liquidate the Bahamaian parent company and Commodore US in order to defeat the creditors. I find it very interesting that not a single tear has been shed for the unsecured creditors of Commodore, many of whom are undoubtedly small businesses run by people who have bills to meet and families to feed and house. Somehow it seems that "saving" the Amiga is more important than the possibility that these people are being defrauded in some grand worldwide financial scheme. The whole thing sounds like a fantasy to me, but if it's real than I can only wonder about the morality of those who cheer for such an apparent fraud on honest business people who are about to be left holding the bag for millions of dollars. Jerry
#142745From: Charles HillMay 3, 1994 10:23 PM
Okay, here are a couple of *facts*. First, the credibility part…I work for (among other people) Intelligent Machines Computer Center, Inc. in Orlando, FL. We are an Amiga retailer. The company is owned by the same people who own Intelligent Designs, Inc. (AmiBack, AmiBack Tools & Tapeworm). As a dealer, I have daily contacts with distributors and developers. As a developer, we also have the same contacts. 1. MicroPace, one of the larger Amiga distributors called yesterday (5/2) and told me that they had a new shipment, in stock, of Amiga 4000s and that included A4000LCs. Get this…this prices on maachines actually went *down* about $100 a unit! They have plenty in stock (as of 5/2). 2. BMD (British Magazine Distributors), another dealer, told me last week that they had negotiated with CBM and Daewoo to purchase 1000 model 1084SD2 monitors that had been previously manufactured but not paid for. They said that they didn't want to air freight them 'cause it would cost too much. The monitors are (get this) on a slow boat from China 🙂 to the U.S. and are scheduled to be delivered to BMD the on 6/1/94. 3. Creative Equipment (the largest Amiga distributor) is having manufactured a multisync monitor with specs almost exactly like an A1960. They are calling it the A1962 and are supposed to be shipping them to dealers this week. Retail price is right around $599. (It has a Philips tube and doe sync down to 15 KHz.) Creative also told me that they are negotiating with Commodore to acquire rights to manufacture machines (or actually have machines manufactured) as well as purchase machines already manufactured in the Philipines but not paid for. They are also looking to get rights to produce AmigaDOS 3.1 chips, manuals and disks. I was told these items by my normal contacts (the guys I order from) at the respective distributors. 4. SMG is answering phones and taking orders. They had the parts I needed this time (CIA & Paula chips). They have already posted their own statement. Make of this what you will. -Chas
#142813From: Wayne SteeleMay 4, 1994 12:00 AM
Being an Amiga dealer myself, I can confirm that I have received similar information to yours. At least it's good news for the short term. I ordered one of the 1962's from CEI last week. It should arrive tomorrow. It's a true MultiSync (15-40 KHz). It sounds suspiciously like the ElectroHomes, but I won't know until I see it.
#142862From: Paul IdolMay 4, 1994 3:03 AM
I think the 1962 is one of the old Mitsubishi DiamondScans that CEI got the liscense for. Good monitors. Paul
#143125From: Peter M. D'AngeloMay 4, 1994 6:14 PM
Paul, I ordered a CEI 1962 monitor yesterday and the official product name was CEI 1962 Electrohome. They have been on hold for two weeks now due to the FCC. Peter M. D'Angelo Cruising Over NY on AutoPilot
#143099From: Leslie T. BartiromoMay 4, 1994 4:16 PM
Could you post your impressions of this 1962 monitor once you try it out and purchasing information? Thanks.
#143391From: Wayne SteeleMay 5, 1994 10:01 AM
Sure. The new monitor should arrive soon.
#143111From: Don Curtis/SYSOPMay 4, 1994 5:33 PM
Wayne, My dealer said it is in fact an Electrohome. Don
#143283From: Pat LarkinMay 5, 1994 2:46 AM
More facts: Danny Daring, an employee of Mr. Horan's Computer Lab, Louisville, Kentucky (our local Amiga dealer), posted the following on A.S.K. (Amiga Society of Kentuckiana) BBS (Amiga user group BBS). He says it is the text of a fax they received from CEI. He is not a good typist (I'm amazed there aren't more misspellings), so I don't know where the quoted Commodore official statement ends. ———–quoted fax begins here————– Dear CEI Dealer, As we have been expecting, Commodore International filed for liquidation in order to be protected from its creditors Friday, April 29, 1994, at 4:10 PM. Commodore official statement follows: "Commodore International Limited announced today that its Board of Directors has authorized the transfer of its assets to trustees for the benefit of its creditor and has placed its major subsidiary, Commodore Electronics Limited, into voluntary liquidation. This is the initial phase of an orderly liquidation of both companies, which are incorporated in the Bahamas, by the Bahamas Supreme Court. This action does not affect the wholly-owned subsidiaries which include Commodore Business Machines (USA), Commodore Business Machines LTD (Canada), Commodore/Amiga (UK), Commodore Germany, etc. Operations will continue normally. CEI has been working closely with Commodore's management and major investers to find a resolution to the current financial crisis. Commodore's actions now clear the way for progress to be made. In the next few weeks, CEI will be making a number of important announcements. CEI currently has sufficent Amiga inventory to meet expected demand until manufacturing can be resumed. All our policies remain intact, full service and support will continue. If you have any questions or concerns please contact your CEI representative. Please assure your customers that this event should be seen in a positive light. What if . . . better support, better products, better marketing, better prices, better margins all arose from the ashes. Stay tuned. . . Sincerely, Alex Amor, President ———-end of quoted fax————— And, in case you want to call & ask for yourself: Mr. Horan's Computer Lab [502] 244-9595 A. S. K. BBS [502] 944-8291