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#ANIMATOR questions

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#99929From: Dennis ConklinMay 4, 1994 1:33 PM
I have a couple of beginners questions about ANIMATOR (NOT AniPro) 1) I am having pallette management problems. I have a flick that uses very few colors, most objects are painted using Vgrad and Hgrad using a ping ponged series of grays to get a metallic cylinder effect. When I compress the pallette only about 56 colors are used (the rest are blacked out after compress and the picture is fine). Next I read in a different, picture that I want to use as a background as a pic in frame two. After adjusting the picture to get the colors right I compress the pallette for it and it only uses about 130 colors (the rest are blacked out after the compress, and the picture looks fine). At this point I assumed that I could use One Pallette to combine the two pallettes and everything would be fine (56 + 130 is 180 colors, so the pallettes should combine fine without any fitting of colors needed). Well when I do this, the fine shades of gray shading of the original flick is ruined. The individual shades (which were dithered originally for a smooth transition) stand out dramatically, so instead of a smooth shading I get bands of gray. Why didn't this work, and more importantly, what can I do to combine these with better results??? 2) I have seen numerous references to inter-object constraints in AniPro (lots of it) and 3DS (not as good constraint). Since I haven't stumbled on this in ANIMATOR, should I assume that it was added later in AniPro, or is it just undocumented in ANIMATOR, or am I just confused. Thanks for any tips!!
#99941From: dave aguilarMay 4, 1994 2:28 PM
/* picture looks fine). At this point I assumed that I could use One Pallette to combine the two pallettes and everything would be fine (56 + 130 is 180 colors, so the pallettes should combine fine without any fitting of colors needed). Well when I do this, the fine shades of gray shading of the original flick is ruined. The individual shades (which were dithered originally for a smooth transition) stand out dramatically, so instead of a smooth shading I get bands of gray. Why didn't this work, and more importantly, what can I do */ You ought to check out the NAAUG telecourses on ANI, Dennis. One of the first five treats palette control including the CUT/PASTE options you probably need to know about here. Section 14 on ACAD forum, do a keyword search for TELECOURSE and look for the files ANI1-A through ANI1-F, all .ZIP files. The problem you're describing is easily solved. -dave
#100122From: Dennis ConklinMay 5, 1994 11:40 AM
Thanks for an excellent tip – I have DL'ed those files and I will look them over. One question – I may have the same problem with some of these files that I have with some of the "instructional" flicks that I pick up in the LIBS here – that is that they will tell how, if you examine the pallette, you can see that they have done such and such. Unfortunately, ANIMATOR won't load .FLC files, so oftentimes, I am left guessing what they are talking about. Does anyone know how to extract a palette from a .FLC file so that I can read it into ANIMAATOR (not AniPro) and see what they're doing?? Thanks for any help, again!
#100257From: Nik Grant [adesk]May 6, 1994 8:27 AM
"Does anyone know how to extract a palette from a .FLC file so that I can read it into ANIMAATOR (not AniPro" This is something which can be done with AAPro, but I'm not sure if there are other programs which work. If you have a bunch of FLC files you want converted, CI$ doesn't charge to upload. Send them to me; I will save them as FLIs and return them to you. (Well, CI$ *does* charge to download.) Nik
#100285From: Dennis ConklinMay 6, 1994 10:44 AM
Well, I tried converting the files using CONVERT.exe, which came with MMEXPLORER but it wasn't very successful. For example, there is a 640×480 gif of 2 trees in one of the NAAUG lessons. Supposedly the left tree uses only 125 colors and the right tree uses 250 colors, but they look about the same. You are supposed to delete the right tree and see how many colors are used in the left tree. After I convert the gif using CONVERT, the left tree uses 245 colors, and the right tree uses 250, so the program obviously can't resist the temptation to screw around with the palette while it is converting it. Other lessons say that I should look at how they have made little groups of colors in the palette. I know CONVERT will not exactly preserve the palette so I can see this – are you saying that you have something that will – okay then I want ANI1-A.zip thru ANI1-F.zip, which I DL'ed from the ACAD forum – any of these which have gif or .flc files at greater than 320×200 I would like to get in a 320×200 format with the palette same as the original. Is this enough info, or do you need me to figure out which ones this is (the stuff is at home, so I don't know right now which ones I had to convert). Thanks for the help!
#100392From: dave aguilarMay 7, 1994 1:41 AM
/* Thanks for an excellent tip – I have DL'ed those files and I will look them over. One question – I may have the same problem with some of these files that I have with some of the "instructional" flicks that I pick up in the LIBS here – that is that they will tell how, if you examine the pallette, you can */ Glad to hear it. Good luck, and keep an eye open for the upcoming MMedia telecourses to be offered next semester here in the ASOFT forum including courses on Animator. I believe the courses will include FLI files for most of the lessons, so even though many of the techniques will involve AniPro features (and you may want to consider seriously upgrading to Pro), most .FLx files should be viewable in Animator (not Pro) since they are usually smaller than .FLC's and 320x200x256 is enough for us to explain the ideas (higher resolutions don't help much conceptually). /* see that they have done such and such. Unfortunately, ANIMATOR won't load FLC files, so oftentimes, I am left guessing what they are talking about. Does anyone know how to extract a palette from a .FLC file so that I can read it into ANIMAATOR (not AniPro) and see what they're doing?? Thanks for any help, again! */ I don't believe Animator has any ability to work with .FLCs, so by itself it has no .FLC palette extraction tools. However, I have seen a number of shareware utilities in the Multimedia and Graphics support forums which "scale" and convert FLCs to other formats including FLI. Browse around in those forums (all libraries for FLI as keyword). -dave
#100128From: mark schneiderMay 5, 1994 11:52 AM
Hi Dennis! Don't take this the wrong way but …. have you heard of the show the … FLINTSTONES ???, well, compared to animator pro, that is what era you are in! hehe!, if you see what animator pro can do, you won't even bother fooling around with the old version. The new version will actually blow your mind! – Resolutions unlimited, well 1024×768, – Yeah! – New options, that blow away animator. … What can I say, go rob an old lady, get the cash, … and. …. BUY ANIMATOR PRO ! Mark Schneider Montreal Canada. ( Don't take me seriously, but take ANIMATOR PRO seriously !) – This product blows away everything else I've ever seen
#100244From: Dennis ConklinMay 6, 1994 6:35 AM
I understand that I am in Bedrock, but I am buying this stuff myself (not my company) and I don't have the price of admission.
#100393From: dave aguilarMay 7, 1994 1:42 AM
/* I understand that I am in Bedrock, but I am buying this stuff myself (not my company) and I don't have the price of admission. */ I'm not a sales person at all, so please don't read this as a plug… there was (and may still be) an upgrade offer under $200 if you have Animator. I know because a friend of mine did it (upgraded) for an outrageously low amount. -dave
#100434From: Dennis ConklinMay 7, 1994 12:24 PM
Does anyone know how I would go about upgrading to AniPro???? $200 I could convince the wife, it's the $800 price she isn't happy about!
#100449From: dave aguilarMay 7, 1994 2:33 PM
/* Does anyone know how I would go about upgrading to AniPro???? $200 I could convince the wife, it's the $800 price she isn't happy about! */ I'm trying to find the brochures I had around here… aw heck Dennis, I can't find them… ask Nik if the promotion is still on. It's something like "tear off the the front cover of any paint package (including Animator) and upgrade for like $200 or something like that. Great deal. GREAT DEAL. -dave