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#Copy protection?

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#145197From: SyndesisMay 12, 1994 4:29 PM
I've started a thread in the Syndesis section of the AmigaVendor Forum regarding copy protection. We're getting close to the release of InterChange for Windows, and we're considering adding a dongle to protect against piracy. If you'd like to join the fray, please visit the Vendor forum and read starting at message 81740…
#145438From: Alex BakerMay 13, 1994 6:17 PM
Rather than jump into the fray over there….. If it's for Windows, put two or three dongles on it. As for software I buy…. I do not buy DongleWare. I seldom buy software that requires a key disk. I do not EVER pirate copies of software. (Which might be how I came to be a Beta Tester, and Alpha Tester on more than one major software project.) I tolerate manual based copy protection, and under extreme duress will buy code wheel protected software. I do not play many games, and find such annoyances out of place in serious productivity software. My personal favorite protection, when protection is used, is the type that requires the manual at installation, and does not bother you again, as long as you don't move/rename the directory. I travel quite a bit, and hauling around/keeping track of dongles, leaves me absolutely cold. If the dongle dissapears, the software is useless. Also if every program went to a dongle, imagine the chain of dongles stretching across the desk.
#145454From: Stephen BaileyMay 13, 1994 7:40 PM
My sentiments exactly. Stephen Bailey Sawyer & Bailey Film & Video CIS # 72773,2451
#145527From: Erik FlomMay 14, 1994 12:43 AM
You've spoken quite eloquently. John can count me in the same category…. "Just say 'NO' to dongles." :^) Erik Flom
#146014From: phil combsMay 16, 1994 9:16 AM
I agree–I refuse to buy dongled software. Regards, Phil Combs
#145565From: Mike SchillerMay 14, 1994 4:28 AM
Alex: My local Amiga/multimedia dealer has a PC in his store with over 15 dongles attached to it. He just got in a package that is an add-on to 3D Studio (a dongle protected program) and it came with it's own dongle as well, imagine that, 2 dongles to use 1 program! // -Mike Schiller \X/ AMIGA! On AutoPilot in sunny Fort Lauderdale
#145611From: Alex BakerMay 14, 1994 12:56 PM
>> My local Amiga/multimedia dealer has a PC in his store with over 15 >> dongles attached to it. He just got in a package that is an add-on to 3D >> Studio (a dongle protected program) and it came with it's own dongle as >> well, imagine that, 2 dongles to use 1 program! While we in the Amiga community were never blessed with a portable, try imagining hauling a portable around, and plugging/unlpugging those 15 dongles into your portable on the airliner to try to get some work done, while in transit. -Alex… I don't do Windoze or Dongles.
#145678From: Brian BartlettMay 14, 1994 6:15 PM
Alex, except for games, you can record a 100% agreement. I do play games, and I would LOVE to have the look up once, so long as it isn't moved, protection on each. If it has a dongle, I'll never, ever, buy it. Period. (Sorry, John.) The Four Seasons of Southern California: Fire, Flood, Earthquake, and Riot.
#145743From: John DraperMay 15, 1994 12:37 AM
Never, for ANY reason, will I EVER buy a dongleed program. -larry
#145750From: Vance SchowalterMay 15, 1994 1:28 AM
Lightwave is dongled, and I'd be only too happy to buy it. *B^) -= Vance =- Image Master Flying high on Imagine and Imagemaster R/t!
#145837From: John DraperMay 15, 1994 11:40 AM
Well, I don't have any use for Lightwave, but I can assure you that it would never be on my machine, regardless of how good it is. The dongle ensures that. -larry
#145846From: Chris LesterMay 15, 1994 12:33 PM
I've lost so many things in my life, I can imagine that a dongle would last about two weeks before it got buried on my desk, or swallowed by my child! Chris – Fast and Low on my '020! Clap On! <clap clap> Clap Off! <Clap Cla{{*&NO CARRIER
#145901From: Troy BarlowMay 15, 1994 6:48 PM
Hmmm, that's interesting. If a child were to swallow a dongle, I guess you could sue the software company for no warning label on the dongle 🙂
#145911From: Paul IdolMay 15, 1994 7:27 PM
ROFL!!! I'm gonna do that first thing tomorrow!!!!! Paul
#145929From: Chris LesterMay 15, 1994 9:15 PM
Paul, I would think force-feeding a dongle to your child constitutes child abuse… as does starving him or her until they eat it on their own! Chris – Fast and Low on my '020! Clap On! <clap clap> Clap Off! <Clap Cla{{*&NO CARRIER
#146063From: Paul IdolMay 16, 1994 3:01 PM
<BG!> I like your new signature too! Paul
#145933From: Vance SchowalterMay 15, 1994 9:29 PM
Just put a warning label on it to not play with your dongle. *B^) -= Vance =- Image Master Flying high on Imagine and Imagemaster R/t!
#145863From: Vance SchowalterMay 15, 1994 2:39 PM
I DO agree with you, overall, about dongles for software. The Toaster is the only exception for me, however, since one of my areas of interest involves video and I could really utilize every corner of the Toaster. Apart from the Toaster, I sympathize completely. *B^) -= Vance =- Image Master Flying high on Imagine and Imagemaster R/t!
#145880From: Chris LesterMay 15, 1994 3:44 PM
Being a non-video type… I am lost on this thread. Doesn't Lightwave need a toaster card to operate? Therefore, why a dongle? (Insert explaination here… because there is obviously more here than it seems! <g>) Chris – Fast and Low on my '020! Clap On! <clap clap> Clap Off! <Clap Cla{{*&NO CARRIER
#145894From: Paul IdolMay 15, 1994 4:59 PM
Well, some people call the Toaster card the dongle for Lightwave. They sort of have a point, but then again they don't, because the card is actually part of the package. Personally, I think they'd make some bucks by releasing Lightwave as a seperate package – on more than one platform even. Paul
#145930From: Chris LesterMay 15, 1994 9:15 PM
I know that LightRave requires LW… but that is a fairly recent product. Chris – Fast and Low on my '020! Clap On! <clap clap> Clap Off! <Clap Cla{{*&NO CARRIER
#146064From: Paul IdolMay 16, 1994 3:01 PM
If the new decoupled LightWave is cheap enough, Warm and Fuzzy Logic will probably go under. Unless they use dongles.. <g> Paul
#146165From: David HammMay 16, 1994 9:30 PM
Hi Paul, I have a dongle on the parallel port on the PC side for a very expensive piece of software…. I refuse to buy yet another software dongle. O.K…. what I really want to know is why don't more people (aside from Jack Radigan) use the license key approach? Is it that easy to crack this approach?? I mean, if the license key is tied to the serialized number of the software my guess is that most people won't bother trying to pirate the software (because it could be tracked). The license key approach is what is usually used on mainframes and UNIX systems (more often than not)… Just wondering what the objections are on a personal computer. – Dave
#146172From: Paul IdolMay 16, 1994 10:11 PM
Dave- I have no idea what the problem with liscense keys is. And I'm sick to death of dongles – I have Real3D and Brilliance, and both use a non-pass-thru dongle in the second joyport, so I can't use them both at once. And furthermore the Brilliance dongle at least requires that the computer be TURNED OFF to plug in or remove it!!!! It's HORRIBLE! Frankly, I'm not sure that I'm going to upgrade to Brilliance II because of that, except that I'd like it and the Amiga market sure needs support right now. Paul
#146207From: Robert LittleMay 17, 1994 12:03 AM
Paul, There you go, I was trying to stay off this thread, but you said 'mainframe'. I hate dongles. I don't do dongles at home, and I won't (well if I was into video, the Toaster may be a different story). A dongle is a dongle. A license key, to me, is a dongle. In a disaster recovery scenario, when you are trying to get a data center back up and on-line within 24 hours (I'm not talking a few SPARCs here, I'm talking terabytes of data and mulitple mainframes at a location 1000+ miles away) and there a several programs, from several different vendors (IBM doesn't do it, for mainframe stuff, why should anyone else?), all requiring thier seperate license keys (read dongles), keying off the mainframe CPU serial number, and, of course you are running on a different processor in that situation, so all the programs blow with 'licensing' problems (we try to anticipate it in tests, but in a 'real' disaster, you couldn't). You have to call each vendor and hope that you can find someone who is authorized to give you a 'key' over the phone…It can make for one hell of a lot of fun trying to make everything work. Albeit, a license key is far preferable to a hardware dongle, but a dongle is a dongle. Robb
#146168From: Stephen BaileyMay 16, 1994 9:49 PM
Paul, you keep gettin' me in the gut! LOL! Stephen Bailey Sawyer & Bailey Film & Video CIS # 72773,2451
#146173From: Paul IdolMay 16, 1994 10:11 PM
Glad to be of service there, Stephen! (Maybe I should go into standup. Computer standup. For computer geeks only. <G>) Paul
#145947From: John DraperMay 15, 1994 11:05 PM
Well, I don't consider a piece of hardware a dongle, unless its only function is to allow a piece of software to run. In other words, I do not consider a hard drive to be a dongle for a filesystem. -larry
#145960From: Steve Bennett/SYSOPMay 16, 1994 12:22 AM
>>I do not consider a hard drive to be a dongle for a filesystem.<< Then you're obviously not using two IDE hard drives on an A4000, now are you? <g,d&r>
#145972From: John DraperMay 16, 1994 1:32 AM
> obviously not using two IDE hard drives on an A4000, … Heehee! I consider IDE drives to be 'dingles', not dongles. -larry
#145934From: Vance SchowalterMay 15, 1994 9:29 PM
Lightwave needs a Toaster card to run on. However, once you buy the Toaster card and software, you can buy another program called LightRave to allow you to run the Lightwave program and modeler on any Amiga, including the A500/600/1200. I wouldn't recommend LightRave though, as it is not endorsed by NewTek as it would encourage pirating of the Toaster software. NewTek also changes each update to make it incompatible with LR, anyhow. In simpler words, the Toaster IS the hardware dongle. -= Vance =- Image Master Flying high on Imagine and Imagemaster R/t!
#146148From: Chris LesterMay 16, 1994 8:23 PM
Wow… that explains why LR at the local CommCollege doesn't work! The instructor was also complaining about how bad the user manual sucked. It was only 8 pages, and assumed you would have *NO* problems with installation. Kind of like the GPFax book! Great little manual, but if you have problems… your out there… with no hope of help at all. (Gee, it almost looks like I'm beginning to VENT! <g>) Chris – Fast and Low on my '020! Clap On! <clap clap> Clap Off! <Clap Cla{{*&NO CARRIER
#145900From: Troy BarlowMay 15, 1994 6:47 PM
I agree with you. Dongles are a waste, and won't stop the damn pirates anyway. It's just another annoying thing for paying customers to deal with.
#145951From: John DraperMay 15, 1994 11:07 PM
Yup… I don't mind paying for a software solution that deters the casual copeir without inconveniencing me too much, but I'll be darned if I'll pay a single penny for a hardware solution that only provides the exact same thing, but provides a good feeling for the vendor. -larry
#145961From: Erik FlomMay 16, 1994 12:56 AM
'Lightwave is dongled' – Sadly, true, but it's such as _cool_ dongle! :^) Erik Flom
#146022From: Vance SchowalterMay 16, 1994 9:46 AM
Not only a cool dongle, but a useful dongle, as well! *B^) -= Vance =- Image Master Flying high on Imagine and Imagemaster R/t!
#147786From: Tom SawyerMay 22, 1994 12:26 PM
Count me as a anti dongle vote. Will never buy it.