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#Blue Screen Problems

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#81900From: glen millerMay 13, 1994 11:30 PM
Help! I am having trouble with the color Blue! I have taken on a project that requires compositing scanned bluescreen footage within some 3D animation. Here's the hitch…the color blue has some slight red and green values mixed in. So, when using LW's foreground keyer, by setting the low and high clip with more than blue (I have to add some red and green), I not only (finally) clip out the blue, but part of the central image! SO, I need a shade of blue paint with no trace of red or green, or I need to color correct the back ground lighting and reshoot the footage, or I need to find some program that will only clip a selected hue (either R, or G, or B) from a range, Or I need an ULTRAMATTE system that works with the toaster! I have some ULTRAMATTE SUPER BLUE paint coming from Rosco…we'll see how that works…but If anyone else has had this problem, and found a fix, please let me know! Thank You Glen
#81935From: Peter GreciMay 14, 1994 12:44 PM
Glen PLEASE try Imagemaster R/T Before going thru the expense of a RESHOOT. I've had Excellent Results by simply shooting in front of a Photographer Backdrop. Imagemaster's Variance feature lets you allow for differences in shade due to lighting or shadws etc.
#82165From: Jerry ThompsonMay 16, 1994 12:54 PM
You need to paint a smooth backdrop with that Ultimatte blue your ordered AND light it brightly and evenly AND use Imagemaster. Background color and bright, even lighting are really key. (Key, get it? <g>) I once used a stretched white sheet as a backdrop. Lit the hell out of the sheet, then lit the foreground subjects normally. I set the camera iris to a bit underexposed for the foreground subjects. This made the background sheet overexposed and clipped to 255,255,255 (or very close) when I digitized it. I bumped up the brightness a bit on each frame which ensured the entire background was pure white, and that enabled me to strip it out cleanly. Worked like a champ. That was a while back and I had $0 budget. You'll get better results using Imagemaster's color variance control. However, if I were doing this for pay, I'd get an MX-1 or a TARGA+. -Jerry
#82213From: glen millerMay 16, 1994 10:57 PM
Good tips on the backdrop! I wish I just had the ultramatte system….maybe Allen will write it into LW 4.0! :} GM
#82204From: Charles BlaquiereMay 16, 1994 10:35 PM
To further Jerry's answer, Imagemaster has a new way to specify color keys, in addition to the old RGB. It now keys by hue as well. This means you can have highlights or shadows in your background, and Imagemaster will pick them up without forcing you to enter a variance that would've made the old RGB key pick up bits of foreground objects as well. Blaq!
#82214From: glen millerMay 16, 1994 10:58 PM
It sounds like the Imagemaster programmers are trying to develop a Ultramatte system for the Amiga! Now, If they are, I hope they will take it all the way! GM
#82250From: Stephen BaileyMay 17, 1994 1:56 PM
Would you, or anyone else, care to elaborate on this process? It sounds like a very useful technique. As a new IM r/t user (2 months old), I'd love to know how to accomplish this technique. Stephen Bailey Sawyer & Bailey Film and Video CIS # 72773,2451
#82259From: Peter GreciMay 17, 1994 4:00 PM
Choose Adjust Background Color, set the color thats close to the color you used to shoot against such as Blue, then set the Variance Slider to approx 30-50 in that range. Load the Background you want into the Secondary Buffer and do a Color Keyed Rub thru or Color keyed Merge. To do a SERIeS would need a Arexx Script or ALOT of patience. The Arexx script would likely be fairly simple maybe 10-15 lines of code. I think we should have Ben add a tutorial of this kind to the Appassist Docs.
#82324From: Stephen BaileyMay 18, 1994 1:55 PM
I agree about the tutorial. And, thanks so much for the details. I'm doing some FXs for a friend's film, involving mucho keying. Lots of pseudo-television anchor stuff. Stephen Bailey Sawyer & Bailey Film and Video CIS # 72773,2451
#82345From: Peter GreciMay 18, 1994 4:08 PM
Film???? Shot on Film??? What are you using to Scan the Film into yer 'Puter? Sounds Like ALOT of fun. I hope my explanation was coherent enuff for you to follow. I tend to ramble and am not a very good teacher. Maybe ya can get me in the credits as "Technical Consultant" hehehehehehehe Is the Film a Student Film or a Actual Independent production? Theatrical release or Direct to Video? Detaisl Man Details… This way yer Amiga Brethren can check out yer Work……
#82435From: Stephen BaileyMay 19, 1994 2:05 PM
My friends film is his Thesis film, required for completion of an MFA from Columbia here in Chicago (where I'm also an MFA candidate). There is a ton of TV material in the film, lots of anchors, an election, etc. We're doing the CGs for it, as well as some other stuff. Right now, he's shooting the video portions, which we will take and key CGs onto, etc. Then, he will incorporate these images into the film using monitors and a Arri (I think, I'm not sure what camera he's using) running at approx. 30 fps (29.???) in sync with the monitors. If he wins a Student Academy Award, you may hear about the film. Otherwise, unless you frequent the student screenings here in Chicago, you'll probably never know it exists (unless it turns out great and I start bragging around here <g>). The credit is yours. I'll let my partner (the film's producer) know. No guarantees, though. <G> BTW, your explanation was right on. I haven't tried it yet, but you were perfect in giving me the buttons and areas within which to work. IM r/t is so complex and layered. Finding an effect is often hard because things are spread out all over the place. There is logic. But, the quantity of options is quite daunting. Then again, I love that. Power and more power. Choice and more choice. Take care. Stephen Bailey Sawyer & Bailey Film and Video CIS # 72773,2451
#82448From: Peter GreciMay 19, 1994 3:58 PM
Glad you were able to follow my explanation. Well if yer Buddy becomes a Famous Director we'll hear about EVERY Film he's ever done including stuff shot on 8mm when he was 6 hehehehehehehe. Good Luck to you both for your MFA(whatever that is) More Fat Angus perhaps? Hope the film comes out well.
#82507From: Stephen BaileyMay 20, 1994 10:04 AM
MFA = Masters of Fine Arts. (i.e. Gradual School <g> ) Stephen Bailey Sawyer & Bailey Film and Video CIS # 72773,2451
#82547From: Peter GreciMay 20, 1994 11:52 PM
Thanx, I figgered out what MFA was after I'd posted. Good Luck tho I think More Fat Angus is more impressive hehehehehehe
#82375From: Charles BlaquiereMay 18, 1994 10:04 PM
Stephen, Load an image of a model standing in front of a solid background as primary. Load the desired background (e.g. an alien landscape, if this is a Peter Greci anim B^) as secondary. Choose the desired area selection tool from the palette. Enter Process/Define Color. Outline a background area containing a representative sample of the shades to be deleted. Imagemaster will analyze the area and come up with a base color + variance setting. To use this setting in the following operations, switch to the "Color keyed selection" tool, two left from Redo. Click on "Mask". This lets you preview the active area in the blue-and-grey display next to the memory gauges. SELECT "SET TO FOREGROUND", "KEY ON HUE" and OK. If the preview masks shows too little of the background being selected, or conversely, parts of the foreground objects being selected, go back to "mask" and adjust the Var (variance) slider accordingly. When you think you've got a satisfactory mask, click on "redo" to _lock-in_ the current area selection. Go to the main panel, then Compose/Linear Compose/Merge. Imagemaster will let the secondary image show through the solid background. Because you created the image mask using "key on hue" rather than "key on RGB", Imagemaster will be much more selective in isolating the background, even if shadows or highlights change its brightness. Blaq!
#82436From: Stephen BaileyMay 19, 1994 2:05 PM
Thanks, Charles. You and Peter have given me much to go on. I'll let you know how I come out of all this. Stephen Bailey Sawyer & Bailey Film and Video CIS # 72773,2451
#82449From: Peter GreciMay 19, 1994 3:58 PM
😉 I Want a Model of the Alien!!!! So much so That I'm trying to come up with the $$$ for Impulses Digimaxx!!!! I do have a Lovely Plastic Model of the Alien poised for attack, sorta protecting an Egg. It seems to be the perfect size for the Digimaxx. Tho I can't wait till Affordable Auto 3D digitizers appear. defining enough points to get a decent model is going to be time consuming as H*LL methinks.