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#Can't Get NEC 74 Working

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#36470From: Michael R. AmlandJan 10, 1993 9:16 AM
Just spent most of the night trying to get a new NEC 74 going to no avail. Using a standard 486-33 with an OPTI chipset. Drive is running off a PAS16 SCSI connection with flat 50 pin ribbon cable. Cable and power are connected correctly. Loading the device driver in config.sys before QEMM and using the default settings. Any help would be appreciated. At boot the device driver says there is no CD-ROM present. — Mike Amland
#36471From: Michael R. AmlandJan 10, 1993 9:19 AM
My apologoes for a typo on prior message. The drive is the model 84 internalone. — Mike Amland
#36482From: Albert DayesJan 10, 1993 11:33 AM
In other places I have heard of problems with using shadow ram for the bios. This seems to conflict with several different SCSI CD-ROM drives. Also do you have the most current version of the drivers. You might try the Multi-Ven forum (GO MULTIVEN) since this is where Media Visison is located. They offer support for your PAS16 card adn Trantor Systems who writes the scsi drivers is avaible in this forum or that forum. Have you made sure your devices are properly terminated on the SCSI bus?
#36506From: Michael R. AmlandJan 10, 1993 4:04 PM
Thanks for the tips, I have tried all sorts of shadowing options including turning everything off. Did get the latest drivers from Mediavision in Multiven. As for terminating the SCSI bus, I am using the drive as is out of the box which I believe is terminated. — Mike Amland
#36518From: Stephen PottieJan 10, 1993 7:31 PM
You will know if it is terminated if you have the plug on other port for 74 and block or jumper for 84 (see manual) Things to check SCSI ID s/b =0 or =1 EMM statement should exclude last of three VGA areas and SCSI card address try loading MSCDEX low make sure the paramters for mscdex match driver statement in autoexec.bat (it's not exactly logical) /l: is drive letter /m: is buffers /d: is device name "/d:neccd" make sure your lastdrive= is greate than cdrom drive letter Call nec at 1800 388 8888 they are generally excellent on the phone. It's only easy for some people. Take heart – they do work wonderfully once set up. And you feel great having conquered the new tech
#36546From: Paul KudlachJan 11, 1993 2:07 AM
What is your card IRQ and address set to? What's available (IRQ and addresses) on your motherborad. I think this might help eliminate this as a problem.
#36551From: Michael R. AmlandJan 11, 1993 4:54 AM
Paul, the card IRQ and DMA settings are only using available specs and runs the audio portion of the PAS16 without problem. — Mike Amland
#36528From: Bill SimonsenJan 10, 1993 8:56 PM
This may be a stupid question, but do you have MSCDEX loaded in your autoexec.bat? Does the drive light flash on POST? -Bill
#36549From: Michael R. AmlandJan 11, 1993 4:52 AM
I did have the driver in autoexec, but never got past the error message in loading the .sys driver at config.sys and no, the busy light does not flash at post, regardless of whether or not I tell my BIOS to check floppy drives at boot up. Thanks. — Mike Amland
#36639From: Bill SimonsenJan 11, 1993 8:37 PM
The doc's for my PAS 16 say it doesn't support the NEC 74. Not sure if that is true, or just smoke and mirrors. I hope you're not barking up the wrong tree here…. -Bill
#36651From: Michael R. AmlandJan 11, 1993 9:58 PM
My apologies for the message header Bill — its an CDR-84. — Mike Amland
#36754From: Bill SimonsenJan 12, 1993 8:05 PM
If I recall from the 'fun' times I had getting a mismatched controller and CD-ROM going, the CD-ROM LED *always* flashed on POST, even without MSCDEX, even when the controller couldn't see the drive. Hopefully you've got hardware problems- have you tried swapping drive, and controller??? -Bill
#36809From: Michael R. AmlandJan 13, 1993 10:34 AM
Bill, the drive light will only flash on the NEC after the .sys driver finds and initializes the drive. I was finally able to get it going without any hardware changes after discovering that NEC and MediaVision refuse to post the driver set for the PAS16/NEC combo anywhere and it must be bought through MV — who coincidentally have *none* in stock!! Finally found a source though and *magic* it works. MV and NEC sure put their customers through a whole lot of uneeded aggravation to get an otherwise simple setup operating. Posting the right driver through CIS and their *own* BBS's would seem to be simple enough — but…. – Mike Amland
#36822From: Bruce De VriesJan 13, 1993 12:57 PM
Mike, Media Vision licenses the CD-ROM driver from Trantor and they can not make it publicly available as they pay on a per-copy basis. Use of the driver without paying either Media Vision or Trantor for it is a violation of copyright. I feel for you and probably would have borrowed one from a friend to get things going too, but you should still order the driver kit from Media Vision. No, I don't work for Trantor or Media Vision.
#36877From: Michael R. AmlandJan 14, 1993 12:21 AM
Bruce, I did indeed buy the driver/cable kit. Problem is that they do not have any in stock and won't for another 7-10 days. As for the public availability of the drivers, the NEC drivers are no different in that respect from any of the other drivers which *are* made available through their online services. Fact is that its of no use without the drive and the cost is included in their pricing for the board/drives not in the add-on kit.
#36541From: Wil UsseryJan 10, 1993 10:56 PM
Michael, I had to disable the 16k region of BIOS ram via my setup program. I believe the adress started at c000. I have an AMI bios. After disabling this small portion of shadow ram, I no longer had this problem. -Wil
#36550From: Michael R. AmlandJan 11, 1993 4:53 AM
Wil, I have disabled all the shadowing regions via AMI BIOS and no success. Thanks though. — Mike Amland
#36632From: Wil UsseryJan 11, 1993 8:14 PM
Michael, you're not going to give up that easy are you? Do you have a hardware cache? If so disable that. Do you have any other boards in your system that might be knocking heads with your CD-ROM board? If so take them out temporarily. If I were you, I would have the minimum amount of hardware on my motherboard to boot up off of your hard disk. This means your controller card for your hard/floppy disk, and your video card. If you have any separate multi-IO cards or sound cards or hand scanner cards, temporarily take them out. Let me know how it's going. -Wil
#36649From: Michael R. AmlandJan 11, 1993 9:57 PM
What me? Give up without a fight — never!! Believe me, I wish it were so simple, but have to suspect a bad drive at this point. I have indeed done a 'strip' of system boards, disabled everything (including the microwave, you never know!) and still no luck! Thanks. — Mike Amland