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#146971From: Christopher TolmieMay 19, 1994 10:44 PM
Winfried, The easiest way is to use an MSDOS formatted disk and CrossDOS on the Amiga, and try using the Apple File Exchange program on the MAC. If you have a 1.44MB drive on the Amiga all the better, but it will work with 720K diskettes. I prefer a third party MAC file Exchange program. It is called AccessPC. Reads MSDOS disks and can transfer binary files without munging them up like the Apple File Exchange program does. Christopher
#147183From: phil combsMay 20, 1994 12:21 PM
Question: I tried taking a Mac file downloaded from CIS, putting it on a MSDOS hi-d floppy (through CrossDOS), then giving it to a Mac user to pull into their hi-d drive-equipped Mac IIcx. They were using Apple File Exchange and said the program was trying to somehow _translate_ the Mac file as if it were an ASCII document or something. Problem is, the file was a program. Is there a way to turn off the translation, and simply copy the file verbatim from the PC-format disk onto the Mac? Regards, Phil Combs
#147343From: Mitch CraneMay 21, 1994 12:45 AM
>> Is there a way to turn off the translation, and simply copy the file >> verbatim from the PC-format disk onto the Mac? There is a progam called BinHex that will strip the Mac Binary header out of the file, then it should work fine. Mac comm programs know about the Mac Binary format, and automatically strip it out. You could upload it to the Mac via modem, or using a null modem cable if he/she has another computer nearby. -Mitch
#147988From: phil combsMay 23, 1994 7:51 AM
If it's a Mac-format file on a PC-formatted disk, would I _want_ to strip of the Mac header? Also, it would be much simpler to do it this way, through diskette exchange (the friend doesn't have a modem). Regards, Phil Combs
#148145From: Mitch CraneMay 23, 1994 9:16 PM
>> If it's a Mac-format file on a PC-formatted disk, would I _want_ to >> strip of the Mac header? Well I was kind of over simplifying, but yes. Mac files have a resource fork and a data fork. Other systems know nothing about them and the files just get stored as one big lump-o-data. While stripping out this header, BinHex also puts the file back into a form the Mac can understand. Being fairly new to Macs myself, I don't know that much about the subject myself. I do most of my downloading with OzCIS on my 386 box, and then either put the files on a floppy and run them through BinHex on the Mac, or send them over via a null modem cable and let the terminal program on the Mac end straighten them out. -Mitch
#148299From: phil combsMay 24, 1994 9:46 AM
Oh. Thanks for the info. Now comes the chicken-and-egg question: How do I get the program to use if I don't have a term program on the Mac, and can only download with the PC? Regards, Phil Combs
#148435From: Mitch CraneMay 25, 1994 12:21 AM
Re: Chicken/Egg situation There is a DOS program called macsee [shareware] which will do the translation for you. The non-registered version will only allow you to process files 16k and under, but that is big enough to do BinHex. -Mitch
#148513From: phil combsMay 25, 1994 7:37 AM
Thanks for the info. Would I find that in the Mac or DOS sections here? Regards, Phil COmbs
#148631From: Mitch CraneMay 25, 1994 10:11 PM
>> Thanks for the info. Would I find that in the Mac or DOS sections >> here? Regards, Phil COmbs Both, I think. I have a listing that shows ver. 3.1 in MACCOM LIB 8. The version I have is 4.0b. I don't know if the latest version is there. -Mitch
#148757From: phil combsMay 26, 1994 7:40 AM
I found v4.0b. THe only problems is that the unregistered version will not format a hi-d Mac disk, though it can translate. Hmmm…… By the by, the Apple System 7 manual seems to say that the included Apple File Exchange can translate ASCII (for text files) and binary (for other types of files). Perhaps I won't need an external program after all. Regards, Phil Combs
#148758From: SyndesisMay 26, 1994 8:36 AM
Apple File Exchange's "binary" setting means "just transfer the file without any translation at all." From Mac to PC, this means writing the data fork into a PC file. From PC to Mac, this means writing the PC file into the data fork of an untyped Mac file. In other words, you should still grab the MacBinary filter. You'll need it, particularly if you want to move Mac files *intact* to PC disks. For example, all the Mac-specific files you'll find on a BBS or CompuServe are actually in MacBinary format. The AFE filter will reconstitute the MacBinary files, resulting in a true Mac file composed of the data fork and the resource fork, with the proper icon and long filename.
#148889From: Mitch CraneMay 26, 1994 11:14 PM
I'm e-mailing you a zip file. Put a dos formated disk in drive a: then unzip this file with the command: pkunzip -d binhex.zip a: This assumes a 3.5" drive is a:. If it's b: use that, of course. I tested it, and it worked over here. I even tried it on both 720k & 1.44m disks. DON'T MESS WITH THE FILE CALLED MACCRYS.TAL. I think it is used by PCExchange, and it is normally be hidden. -Mitch
#147354From: Jonathan BlackwellMay 21, 1994 1:02 AM
Apple File Exchange does not come with the needed translator. Somewhere here on CIS and on other systems is a translator file called MacBinary II. This translator is what you need for the file transfer to properly move over the data and resource fork. -Jonathan // Amiga online via Autopilot. MAC Quadra 900 and \\// 486 emulation. E-Mail: jonathanb@delrina.com
#147355From: Christopher TolmieMay 21, 1994 1:05 AM
phil, I've found the Apple File Exchange unreliable when transfering binary files via MSDOS formatted disks, trys to turn them into text files one and all. I prefer and use AccessPC (commercial file exchange program) which hasn't a problem handling binary formats. I think you need another loader for AFE to enable it to handle the binary transfers, however I've never seen or heard of one. The other way I move files is with AMAX via SyQuest cartridges or MAC formatted floppys. My last technique is to use a null-modem cable between machines and terminal programs running on each. My preferred method these days is a HiDensity MSDOS floppy for small files like ASCII, fonts and graphics, large stuff I use the SyQuest. Christopher