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#Best Video?

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#102360From: Cheryl HoffMay 17, 1994 6:51 PM
I am getting many conflicting reports on the BEST method to use in getting animations onto video. Would you recomment SVHS or Betacam? PAR, ASDG? I am just starting out, but I can't get any straight answers. I definitely do not want to work with single-frame recording, and would like to know what ??? could be involved with Betacam recording/editing equipment. (I have a 1 GB hard drive for rendering) Thanks for any info.
#102394From: May 17, 1994 10:24 PM
Cheryl: The reason you can't get any straight answers to your question is that there is not "best" method to go to video. Do you mean highest quality? Lowest price? Broadcast? Industrial? Prosumer? Consumer? Give me the info and some sort of budget and I'll give you my opinion, for whatever that's worth! Then ten people will jump in and give their opinions, but at least then you'll have enough info to formulate your own. Greg Pyros
#102519From: Rob JellesedMay 18, 1994 10:05 AM
Hi, I am in the same boat. I am ready to purchase the Truevision VideoVGA 16 w/ the addon stablizer chip. I am also ready to go down to the local electronics store and buy one of those VCR/TV combos that are portable. My plan is to offer flybys and walk thrus for local clients using AutoCAD. I have AutoCAD, ARE-24 (from KETIV Technologies) a;; opf which are in Windows 3.11. I have a Micron P60 w/534 MB drive and 48 MB of ram. I just want something a client can send to a prospective customer….. (I have had a difficult time talking to a real body at Truevision…) So I feel if I purchase their equipment I better be ready to support it myself.. Thanks for the help… Rob Jellesed R H Jellesed CAD/CAM
#103145From: Cheryl HoffMay 21, 1994 12:56 AM
Greg, My budget is around $7,000. I am looking for the best quality for the lowest price. Most of my work centers around animations for training films of a technical nature; aircraft operating system, etc. I am working with a 486DX266 with 48MB ram. I have a 1GB hard drive dedicated solely for 3D Studio, and 2 additional 340 MB drives. Tahnks for any info you can provide.
#103179From: May 21, 1994 10:54 AM
Cheryl: In this price range, I would recommend a PAR by DPS and a good prosumer SVHS deck. This would enable you to render (with your one system) directly to the PAR without having to purchase additional hard disks. You should even be able to get another 16 megs of memory for your machine and stay within the budget! Greg Pyros
#103229From: Cheryl HoffMay 21, 1994 6:50 PM
Greg, Thank you for your help. I will start "hunting" for this equipment. Cheryl Hoff
#102634From: John TissavaryMay 18, 1994 5:41 PM
If you can post your exact needs/goals in getting animations to video (including your clients needs, target markets, budget, etc…) I'm sure you'll get some workeable answers here. John Tissavary (LUNA cie)
#102668From: Don LandisMay 18, 1994 7:30 PM
Cheryl: You need to define your intended end user before anybody can give you their opinion as to what is best. If you eliminate the FBF methods then you have just narrowed the choice to a couple of solutions. The PAR and I believe I heard that the MAX is now shipping. Then there is the Abekas and clones. You should decide on your alloted budget as well. eg. If you NEED the highest quality but can't afford the hardware then maybe the service bureau is right for you.
#103147From: Cheryl HoffMay 21, 1994 1:05 AM
Don, I have looked into the Abekas, but would much rather have the ability to put the work on videotape without going through a service bureau. I could go with a Super VGA system right now, but I am not sure of the quality of Super VGA vs BetaCAM. Is BetaCam useful only if one is planning to do Broadcast work, and if that is the case, should I then work with SVGA? Then there is also the question of how to get the work on video tape (at the highest quality) without going with single-frame rendiring. Thanks for any advice you can provide.
#103221From: Don LandisMay 21, 1994 5:51 PM
Cheryl: It would be a help if I or any one else knew your budget and market requirements. Your comment about SVGA is, I think, a misprint. I think you mean SVHS which is a video tape format. Actually, there is no "best video" as betacam would not be best for a wedding videographer because it would be overkill and costly. SVHS would be adequate for wedding type videographers but sub-standard for broadcast. 3/4 Umatic is fairly common in the cable industry. To find the best viudeo you really need to define your market and budget. Right now the PAR has the best bang for the buck of all the methods for getting from 3DS rendering to NTSC video output for recording to just about any video format. Consumer decks through betacam and MII component. There is no need to consider frame by frame output anymore.
#103230From: Cheryl HoffMay 21, 1994 6:52 PM
Don, Thank you. I will now be going after PAR and a good SVHS system. Cheryl Hoff
#103413From: ROBERT RITGERMay 23, 1994 12:50 AM
Cheryl: No need to hunt for the PAR. Greg Pyros sells these boards and can have one in your hands in no time. I bought mine from him even though he's from California and I'm in Jersey. The installation went quite smoothly and I'm not a propeller head. The support he provides here on the forum is invaluable. He can also sell you a nifty utility called NDUMP which will aid in your sorting out network-rendered targas among other functions. Nope, I don't get a cut from what he sells. <g> Bob
#103435From: May 23, 1994 9:35 AM
Bob: >> Nope, I don't get a cut from what he sells. <g> Maybe you should! <bg> At least a drink at Siggraph. Going? Greg Pyros
#103468From: ROBERT RITGERMay 23, 1994 11:49 AM
Greg: Looks good that I'll make both AEC Systems in Wash, D.C. and Siggraph. Any strategies of which days to go, where to stay, which hawaiian shirt to wear? Bob
#103594From: May 23, 1994 11:23 PM
I've giving a seminar at A/E/C Systems on Thursday and moderating a panel discussion on Tuesday Morning (Bob Bennett's on the panel with someone from Apple and MicroSoft – could get rough! <g>) I haven't a clue where I'm staying – maybe it's time to check and see where they put me?
#103550From: Cheryl HoffMay 23, 1994 7:15 PM
I am definitely going for the PAR solution. Are you also using the TBC4 (or is it TCB IV)? If you have seen it used, how does it compare to Intel's Indeo?
#103563From: ROBERT RITGERMay 23, 1994 8:40 PM
Cheryl: I am the proud owner of the TBC IV. I just tested it out and with some forum guidance on the proper connection for genlocking the signal I was able to record off of a video tape with results that are terrific. I'm not sure of the Intel product but you should check to see if it records full screen (640 x 480 min) in real time without dropping frames. Also it may require a feature connector to your video card, some cards like the Diamond Viper are born without feature connectors. Bob
#103588From: MARTIN G FOSTERMay 23, 1994 10:50 PM
Cheryl, PMJI, but the Indeo is not really in the same league as the PAR. The capture resolution of the Indeo is a mere 160×120 at 30fps, or 320×240 at 15fps. The PAR / TBCIV combo manages 752×480 at 30fps (60 fields). The Indeo is probably the best for multimedia but it certainly isn't for full-screen stuff video recording.
#103798From: Cheryl HoffMay 24, 1994 9:47 PM
<PMJI, but the Indeo is not really in the same league as the PAR> Thanks for your input. I am heading for the PAR and TBC4. You and the other members of this forum have provided me with invaluable information for my video solution.
#103934From: MARTIN G FOSTERMay 25, 1994 1:40 PM
Cheryl, >> I am heading for the PAR and TBC4. << You won't regret it 🙂 Lots of us here have 'em.
#104018From: Tyler ColwellMay 26, 1994 12:43 AM
PMJI, Martin. What is a TBC4?
#103607From: Scott LawrenceMay 24, 1994 12:13 AM
I have an Indeo. It's O.K. for multimedia & was the hot item when it hit the market about a year or so ago, as it was the first consumer video card that could compress on the fly & play back 30 fps (but get out your magnifying glass, folks!) What you really want is a PAR. Besides, the Indeo does Windows but it doesn't do rotoscoping!
#103799From: Cheryl HoffMay 24, 1994 9:51 PM
Thanks, Scott, I was very intrigued by an Indeo flyer last year, and was very close to purchasing the unit until a friend at work informed me that better systems were on the way. After hearing from you, I do not have any regrets from waiting for "something" else. Thanks again.