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Subtitling?

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#41215From: Matthew ThornMay 16, 1994 6:29 PM
I'm a Mac user who doesn't know beans about the Amiga, but I'm trying to find a way to subtitle foreign-language video, and several people have mentioned Amiga as an easy and (comparatively) inexpensive option. Can anyone tell me more about this? What would I need to get started? Where would I look for a used Amiga that could do the job? Many thanks in advance, Matt Thorn
#41218From: SyndesisMay 16, 1994 9:32 PM
You'll need a device that can overlay the computer's graphics over the video signal. This is commonly called a "genlock". There were several models available for the Amiga over the years. As for sub-titling programs, I'm not sure if there's a commercial one available… perhaps someone else can jump in here.
#41258From: Matthew ThornMay 19, 1994 3:27 AM
John, Thanks for the info (and sorry for the delay–I was a way for a couple of days). Wayne gave me some info about subtitling software. Matt
#41227From: Wayne ColeMay 17, 1994 3:57 AM
Matt, The cheapest way would be to look for an Amiga 1200 with a Hard disk add-on, and get a Digital Creations Supergen or SupergenSX genlock, and a titling program like Broadcast Titler or a MM program like Scala. The advantage of Scala is there are add-ons that can control video decks so that you can play designated video sequences while playing designated titles and layering them together with the genlock while recording the results on another video deck connected to the genlock. wmc – via Autopilot!
#41257From: Matthew ThornMay 19, 1994 3:27 AM
Wayne, Thanks for the info (and sorry for the delay in resonding–I was away for a couple of days). I'll look into the possibility of a bying an Amiga and genlock card. Matt
#41231From: Peter GreciMay 17, 1994 3:59 PM
You need an Amiga, Titling Software such as Broadcast Titler and a Genlock as a minimum setup. Oh yeah and a Monitor of course.
#41253From: Martin KayMay 18, 1994 6:18 PM
Yes, there is a commercial program that is specifically for subtitling. It's called EUROTITLER (because I couldn't think of a better name at the time) and I can send you more details and even a demo-version if you require. It was developed for broadcast use (driving an Aston CapGen for high quality text) whilst I was working for Granada TV (UK ITV network), but it also produces near-broadcast quality output direct from the Amiga's own video. It allows the creation of more or less unlimited numbers of subtitles, each with a timecode in and out cue. The timecode can come from VITC or LTC on the videotape (via external or internal readers), or via a software pseudo-timecode which counts frames. Each subtitle can occupy one or two lines and use any Amiga font, including our anti-aliased colorfonts. There are extensive editing facilites for both the text and the in and out cues (something you won't find on general purpose titling programs). Once prepared, you can run the tape and add the entire subtitle script in one pass. (I've had over 500 subtitles in a half hour.) I would recomend either an A2/3/4000 system with HD, 2-4 M RAM, a genlock and ideally a timecode reader. The software supports a number of hardware options, including MIDI Timecode. Software price is L180. Let me know if require further details. Regards, Martin Kay
#41259From: Matthew ThornMay 19, 1994 3:46 AM
Martin, Wow! Sounds like a great program. Pardon my ignorance, but would "A2/3/4000" be shorthand for "Amiga 2000," "Amiga 3000," and "Amiga 4000"? And would I be right in assuming those are models of Amiga computers? (As I mentioned in my original message, I don't know beans about Amiga.) Now the burning question is, where would I buy an Amiga? They're not made anymore, are they? Matt
#41265From: Martin KayMay 19, 1994 1:52 PM
Matt, You're quite right about the shorthand, and I shouldn't think you'd have much trouble buying an AMIGA. I'm not 100% sure what's actually happening with Commodore, but there's still new unsold models with the distributors here in the UK, and many thousands on the second-hand market. And don't worry about spares. There's still parts around for the old C64, and that officially "died" some years ago. The model I'd recommend is the Amiga 3000. It is faster and smaller than the A2000 and has built in SCSI (so you can attach MAC SyQuest drives, for example) and most importantly has two video outputs (both the same picture, but one is 31 KHz non-interlaced VGA style, the other 15KHz interlaced video which can be genlocked over an incoming video picture). Hope this helps. Regards, Martin
#41278From: Matthew ThornMay 19, 1994 10:15 PM
Martin, <The model I'd recommend is the Amiga 3000.> Do you or anyone else have any idea how much that model would cost, either new or used (in dollars, in the States)? And does anyone know any American magazines that would carry reseller advertisements for Amigas? <…most importantly has two video outputs (both the same picture, but one is 31 KHz non-interlaced VGA style, the other 15KHz interlaced video which can be genlocked over an incoming video picture).> I'm not sure what that means. Does that mean I wouldn't need a third-party genlock card? Thanks again for the info. Matt
#41312From: Martin KayMay 22, 1994 3:39 AM
Matt, Can't help you with a dollar price for second hand A3000s in the US, but I've seen them here for around L500 ($750). You will still need a genlock to do your subtitle overlays, but the 31KHz o/p gives you a computer-only preview o/p which you can simultaneously connect to a VGA-style monitor. Martin
#41338From: Matthew ThornMay 23, 1994 1:36 AM
Martin, Thanks for the info. Matt
#41347From: Anthony RamirezMay 23, 1994 1:24 PM
I know there are a couple of A3000s for sale in the AmigaUser forum and they are about $450 and $550. These are about as fast as a 386. The A4000 is about as fast as a slow 486. In case you needed to know. <<< Tony D. Tracer >>> (Any render time >0 needs acceleration.)
#41569From: Matthew ThornMay 31, 1994 11:20 AM
Tony, <I know there are a couple of A3000s for sale in the AmigaUser forum and they are about $450 and $550.> Thanks for the info. If I'd be paying that much (not to mention the cost of a monitor, software, etc.) in order to go the Amiga route, I think I might be better off going with a stand-alone device, such as Videonics TitleMaker, which I'm told goes for between $500-$550 (though the Amiga does sound like a fun machine for working with video). Thanks to everyone who offered advice and information. Matt Thorn