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#194741From: Alex BakerApr 26, 1995 8:32 PM
I think that the IBM/Clone world has never aroused the passions in its users like the Mac/Amiga world has. Perhaps it's because the Mac, and Amigas came later and were underdogs. Those who bought them at first, saw it as striking a blow against Big Blue. Apple's famous Super Bowl commercial branded Macs as the tool of the rebels, so rebels flocked to it, and the establishment, almost simultaneously decided that it wasn't for the establishment. Meanwhile the Amiga was going to teach them both a lesson…. So perhaps that is why there are so many more zealots per capita in the Mac and Amiga camps, than are in the IBM camp. Then again, had it not been for the crazies, video work would still require a Quantel Paint Box. There would be no Toaster, no Light Wave… Had it not been for the Amiga, and the learning that went into developing an "easier" Toaster, there may well have been no PC Toaster coming out in the next few months. So while we may not be able to say Amiga makes it possilbe, it sure looks like only the Amiga _made_ it possible.
#194745From: J Saperstein/FontBankApr 26, 1995 8:46 PM
Alex: But the reality is that video is/was being implemented on all the platforms. The Amiga was honored by the presence of Tim Jennison and company who attracted a lot of attention to themselves through their pricing and showmanship in promotion. And they built a nice sized business for themselves. But they were by far from being the only player. Right now I suspect that FAST and d/Vision are bigger players in the video hardware market than NewTek. I personally find chauvinists of any sort repulsive. Jerry
#194888From: Paul IdolApr 27, 1995 6:17 PM
Jerry- It's true that NewTek may (have) fall(en) by the wayside, but it's hard to argue against the fact that *they* really started the desktop video revolution, and at the time they did it, no machine could have hosted their efforts other than the Amiga–except at very substantially higher price points. And that's basically what Alex said. Mr. Zombie
#194894From: J Saperstein/FontBankApr 27, 1995 6:45 PM
I guess. Too bad we can't all live on past laurels. <G> Jerry
#194915From: Alex BakerApr 27, 1995 7:58 PM
Wasn't suggesting that anyone should live on past laurels. Just said that people can take pride in the fact that the Amiga technology helped get desktop video where it is today. Much the same way Mac users can take pride in the fact that the Mac launched the GUI revolution, or that clone users can take pride in the way that their platform ushered in a new era in computers. I own one of each so I'm proud as hell! <grin>
#194929From: J Saperstein/FontBankApr 27, 1995 9:04 PM
"I own one of each so I'm proud as hell!" Well I don't get that excited about these machines any more – especially since my primary Mac had its regularly schedule fatal System crash last night while I was on deadline. Typical. If I had my way, there would be at least a couple of days a year where hardware and software manufacturers would have to render up some of their engineers for painful torture by end-users. <G> Jerry
#195295From: Alex BakerApr 30, 1995 6:58 PM
Torturing Engineeers…. I _LIKE_ IT!!!! Better yet, they should be assigned to come finish my project, on time, and I will give them the details on the requirements, at the same level of completeness and useability, as their documentation.
#195321From: J Saperstein/FontBankApr 30, 1995 10:30 PM
"Better yet, they should be assigned to come finish my project, on time, and I will give them the details on the requirements, at the same level of completeness and useability, as their documentation." And I thought I was ruthless and cruel! <G> Jerry
#194914From: Alex BakerApr 27, 1995 7:58 PM
Video is definetly being implemented on all platforms. However, Video was one of the things that the Amiga was designed around when it was first built. When the first Toaster surfaced, it was not the first Amiga video product. It was however, one of the best. The video community at first had a hard time accepting that the Toaster could do all that it did. Newtek claimed (whether it was marketing hype or truth, I'll leave to others), that at the time the Amiga was the only way to accomplish the task. Legend has it that they were apporached shortly after the release of the Toaster, by IBM to do a Toaster card for the PC. And they refused saying they would have to put an Amiga on a card to even start the project. Obviously the capabilities of all platforms have increased since the mid 80's. The horsepower of the top of the line today is more than enough to overcome the early blitters/68000 combo. As Newtek is demonstrating the Amiga is no longer the only solution. However, Tim Jennison had a good reason to choose a computer that was on the bottom end of the sales ladder. Had it been economically feasible to do on a PC, I rather think he would have chosen that route to glory, and an instantly larger potential market. Unless he is one of your repulsive chauvinists. <grin> I realize you do not understand devotion to inanimate objects. However, if you look around, it is not at all uncommon. Disregarding our chauvinist IBM/Mac/and both Atari brothers, there are those who spend a life time collecting this or that, arguing the Ford/Chevy/Dodge debate, discussing guns, cameras, you name it. Not to mention the folks who will work wood with only old fashioned hand tools, none of that power junk for them! Personally, I less understand those who worry about profession sports teams/figures. I will _NOT_ worry about what Joe Montana is going to do with his life, till he starts worrying about how I'm going to survive mine. <g> One last chauvinst statement. We got in two new clones today. Novell personal network software to go with them. We needed three comm ports, and 3 parallel ports, and a tape drive backup. What a pain. The local bus hard drive controllers will still not work in the 32 bit mode under Windows. The tape drive took several tries to find an IRQ/DMA home. Makes it nice to come home and play with the Amiga. I do agree that I am repulsed by those who cannot acknowledge the good points of other computers. (Jumpers and IRQ/DMA assignments aren't one of them. <grin>)
#194927From: J Saperstein/FontBankApr 27, 1995 9:03 PM
"The local bus hard drive controllers will still not work in the 32 bit mode under Windows. The tape drive took several tries to find an IRQ/DMA home." Are you using Win95? It makes pretty short work of such problems. I'm on Build 450 right now and am really impressed. It's ease of use is equal or superior to the Macintosh and it doesn't break. Or at least I haven't broken it yet. In regard to the Amiga/Toaster history, I have no argument. However, I would remind you that the price point was a marketing decision and that helped sell the Toaster. There is no doubt of course that it was a brilliant piece of engineering and marketing. Jerry
#195296From: Alex BakerApr 30, 1995 6:58 PM
Nope, no Windows 95. Just the Windows that came installed on the machine. The price point of the Toaster helped sell it, and start the revolution. (It put desk top video within the reach of the dedicated amatuer as well as the full blonw production facility.) Had Newtek chosen another platform, the legend goes that they could not have produced the Toaster for that price, let alone chose that price, and turned a profit. The pricing on the IBM/Clone Toaster seems to bear this out. (Though I haven't seen the specs to see if the new Toaster has enough new features to account for the price increase.)
#195322From: J Saperstein/FontBankApr 30, 1995 10:33 PM
"The pricing on the IBM/Clone Toaster seems to bear this out." I don't agree. Take a look at NewTek's post-introduction pricing on the Flyer. I suspect that with Amiga gone for all practical purposes that NewTek is simply getting competitive with the other PC manufacturers whose prices have always been higher. I would also suspect that NewTek took one heck of a beating in revenue over the past year or so and are hoping to resupply their treasury. Overall, with all the offerings coming into the video market, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see really significant price erosion in the next several months which is good for all of us. Jerry