CompuServe Thread

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#31721From: Larry MintonJan 12, 1993 2:17 PM
Re: Exabyte tape drive. Back in a previous message you said something about putting an image file in the middle of the tape. Do you have your tape unit set up as a "real slow hard disk", or are you saving the image files via tape backup software? Thanx, LAM
#31752From: SyndesisJan 12, 1993 6:30 PM
This was a day dream, a few speculations about how an Exabyte (or any large capacity) tape drive might co-exist and complement 3D Studio. RIght now, I use mine for backups, using public domain drivers and Unix-like 'tar' archivers.
#31927From: Larry MintonJan 13, 1993 5:27 PM
I talked just today with Pete Means at NovaStor Corp. One of their products "TPU" – it's used for reading and writing IBM and ANSI standard labeled and unlabeled tapes. Handles 4mm DAT, 1/4", and 8mm Exabyte tapes. Cost is $395 for DOS version. They also have a C-programmer's interface kit. Not sure of cost on that. Now I'll just have to keep an eye out for a cheap scsi tape drive. LAM
#32009From: SyndesisJan 14, 1993 8:54 AM
Not that I like to promote P.D. software over commercial software, but I've been very happy with the public domain ASPI tape driver and 'tar' I got from Compuserve… it works great with my Exabyte.
#32017From: Jan 14, 1993 9:58 AM
John: PMJI, but what were the file names of the TAR and ASPI drivers for the Exabyte, and where on CI$ did you find them? The UnixForum has a few that answer to the basic description, and I wanted to download the ones you recommended… Greg
#32124From: SyndesisJan 15, 1993 12:42 AM
Yes, one is called ASPITAPE.EXE, the other is PCTAR.EXE. What kind of tape drive are you using?
#32140From: Jan 15, 1993 4:58 AM
John: We have an 2.3 gig 8mm Exabyte on our Sparc 2. I've been wondering if it was possible to read a tape written by a PC onto the Sun network? Greg
#32148From: SyndesisJan 15, 1993 9:05 AM
Yes, just use this 'pctar' program, it will make a tape compatible with the Unix 'tar'. I've moved a lot of files and backups that way, PC to PC, PC to Amiga, PC to Iris, etc. If you like, I can tell you more detail in terms of what to type… (You know, Unix magic words and all that.)
#32179From: Jan 15, 1993 1:18 PM
John: Unix? You mean I have to learn UNIX? <g> I downloaded the PCTAR last night. Appears to be quite like the Unix version in use and syntax! A 'tar -tvf' even shows a semblance of PC permissions! I also just got off the Internet a 'PKUNZUP' clone for Unix! Since TAR doesn't do any compression, I should be able to have a client 'zip up his files (not that they won't fit on a 2.3 gig tape, but we're talking THEORY here!), TAR the ZIP onto a tape and send it to us, extract it to the Sun, and unzip it! Talk about a series of cross-platform programs! Thanks again, Greg
#32249From: SyndesisJan 16, 1993 7:36 AM
There's little point in compressing the file if you've got a big tape drive. That's the point. 🙂 Otherwise, let's say you were moving 300 megs uncompressed. How do they compress it? They've got to have an extra 150 meg free for the compressed archive! And then when you get the tape, you need 450M free to decompress it, when 300M would do? OK, fine, if you've got nothing better to do with your money and time than to have an extra 450M hard disk space free to compress and decompress files, that's your business. 🙂 Now, there are PC versions of 'compress' and 'uncompress', if you want them. As for Zip exchanges with a Sun, beware, they have longer filenames than "BIZ0115B.TXT" under Unix, and your PC might have a fit with longer names… "Business-Jan15-93" and "Business-Jan16-93" collide into the same file. (I have the same problem sharing files with an Amiga, which has Unix-like names.) To reiterate, just put the 'tar' on the tape.
#32258From: Jan 16, 1993 10:25 AM
John: That's what the <g> was for! <g> Actually, except for 3DS, most of our work is done on the Suns. Greg
#32199From: CSA/CAJan 15, 1993 5:24 PM
Greg, There is also inexpensive commercial software to read/write .TAR format on Exabyte drives from PCs. The PD software seems interesting, though. Kevin Krell – Computer Support Associates
#32149From: Larry MintonJan 15, 1993 9:23 AM
Sounds like an option. I need to track down the specs on scsi tape drive software commands. Would love to set up a tape so that it looks like a slow hard disk. Actually, I think they used to be called "streaming floppies" way back when. On the other hand, that means I would have to actually program in C. Oh well, I don't have enough time as it is… LAM
#32180From: Jan 15, 1993 1:18 PM
Larry: If memory serves, (dangerous!) you used to be able just to mount a tape drive in unix and cp on/off it. It's been a few years, I don't know if it is still supported (it was never recommended!)… Try it and let us know how it works – I'm afraid to!!! <big g!> Greg
#32250From: SyndesisJan 16, 1993 7:38 AM
How much is your time worth? Aside from the programming time, what about the access time? Big hard disks are cheaper by the minute. I just picked up a 1.2 gig for $1425, 3.5 form factor, 3 year warranty. How much space do you want? On a clear disk, you can seek forever…
#32549From: Larry MintonJan 18, 1993 5:41 PM
But what do you back up that 1.2 gig drive onto though? <grin> Basically I just wanted a medium to transfer TGA files to a video house. I've already set them up with SCSI hardware on a prior project with them. Seemed like tape would be the cheapest medium for a really big datasets, but as you say, disk drive prices are now looking to be cheaper than the tape drive prices. Disk -would- be the easiest… LAM
#32598From: SyndesisJan 18, 1993 10:17 PM
I now back up everything (Mac, PC and Amiga) onto a 5 gig Exabyte tape drive. I realize DAT might have been more affordable, but I had another purpose for the Exabyte format. Exabyte tapes are about $10-15 each.