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#JVC Edit Desk

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#4092From: Martin VipondMar 25, 1995 11:23 PM
I recently purchased an Edit Desk System. I produce industrial video tapes for small manufacturers and service businesses. For that use I don't need SMPTE usually. But the frame accuracy of the Edit Desk has really helped my productivity. I don't think you can beat it for the money. I paid a tad over $6,300.00! It will bring that much back in a very short time. Do you have specific questions?
#4102From: Harry KaufmannMar 26, 1995 3:25 PM
I see that you do industrial videos. How do you find you customers, or how do they find you? Also who does the scripts? I am very interested in breaking into this market. Do you find that 3rd or 4th generation VHS dubs are of adequate quality for this market?
#4900From: Martin VipondApr 22, 1995 7:19 PM
Harry, Geez, I can't believe it actually took me almost a month to reply to your questions. I've been working a lot lately (gotta pay this darn CIS bill you know). I have found a market in small to medium sized manufacturing firms. Firms who can see the advantages of video marketing but ordinarily could not consider it due to the high cost. I find them in the Yellow Pages! I write them a letter. I send a brochure along with the letter. I call them in a few days. I send a demo tape to those who are interested. I close a few sales. I make some money (which makes my wife happy). I pay for some gear. I do it all over again! What a way to make a living. Actually, I'm just getting started myself. I spent a lot of time last year building a studio in a 100 year old carriage house behind my home. (No you don't need to do this and No I don't recommend it as a good way to start. But I was leaving a 10 year commercial bank job and it was therapeutic for me. Besides, I've got a real neat studio now!). Still, in all, the business is growing and it basically works as above! I also produce and market special interest videos, tape an occasional special event and produce a photo/movie/slide transfer. (Made $5,000.00 in December doing transfers!). I get leads from newspaper articles and give the subjects a call. Then we work out a 50/50 deal on the profits. This way the video production doesn't cost them anything, and we both can make a lot of money. Or we both make very little money. It's risky but there's this risk/reward thing that attracts me. Regarding your second question; 3rd and 4th generation VHS dubs are not of adequate quality for industrial videos. IMHO. If you must work with VHS to begin your business, use a high quality camera, light your shots correctly, use pro-grade edit decks with TBCs and hand the client the edited master. (Keep a dub for your files). If your client wants several copies, you really should consider using at least SVHS or HI8mm throughout the acquisition and editing steps. I use SVHS. I use an Panasonic AG460 camera (which is for sale along with a Panasonic edit system btw.). I edit on the JVC Edit Desk system and dub from the edited master to VHS. Thus, my clients get a 3rd generation dub. The image quality of a 3rd generation dub for this use is o.k. Occasionally, for certain shots or effects you might (underscored and bold) get away with a 4th generation segment, but you'd really want a tuned up system to pull it off. 4th generation stuff is pretty ragged. Oh, btw, I usually interview several persons to gather info about whatever widget the client builds, then write a rough draft script myself. (I'm no Hemmingway but I can usually write a fairly clear technical treatise.) After the client hacks away a couple of times a usable script appears. After the client signs off on the script, I create a shot list from it and video happens! Good luck with your new venture, let me know how you do! Martin
#4931From: Harry KaufmannApr 24, 1995 12:48 AM
I sent you a long reply but somehow sent it to myself! So please find my reply in the map.
#4930From: Harry KaufmannApr 24, 1995 12:44 AM
Hi Martin, Thanks for the very informative reply – more than I expected. It sounds like you are doing quite well. I am in my 2nd year of business but do this only part time so I am not as aggresive as you. I am currently working on my scriptwriting skills – I feel that this is the most critical and difficult (for me anyway) part of producing a video. So far I have read "Corporate Scriptwriting – A Professional's Guide" by Ray DiZazza and "Scriptwriting for High-Impact Videos" by John Morley – both excellent books. I may decide to hire out for this job though. I have also read "Industrial Video Production" by Mitch Lang. In this book, Mitch describes how to produce industrial videos for small companies with low cost gear. I guess this sounds like the type of work that you do. I shoot in Hi-8 on my Sony VX3 and edit from a computer controlled Vdeck to a Sony Hi-8 deck. I like to use Hi-8 as a edit master since I can dub high quality audio onto the PCM tracks. The quality of the resulting 3rd generation VHS is OK. That is whay I asked you about your 3rd generation quality – I wanted to know how good the JVC decks were. I advertise in our neighbourhood Yellow Pages at a very reasonable rate and it gets me a steady stream of business without me having to run around drumming up customers. I shoot events and do a lot of editing. Also do film/stills/ foreign transfers and dupes. I am very interested in making a SIV but have not come up with any real good ideas yet. I started to produce a SIV on how to buy a used car but lost interest after it became too complicated and not really knowing how to market it. How do you sell them? What SIV's have you done? Maybe I will buy one of yours.
#5021From: edward faunceApr 26, 1995 12:51 PM
Mr. Kaufmann: Can you suggest where I might get a copy of "Industrial Video Production" by Mitch Lang which you recommended? I can't seem to find it here in Southern California (nor can my favorite technical book store). Many thanks Ed Faunce
#5034From: Harry KaufmannApr 26, 1995 8:13 PM
Hi Edward, the Industrial Video Production book and video are only available through mailorder. I don't have the phone number anymore but you can write to; Columbia Video Services P.O. Box 86891 Portland, Oregon 97286-0891
#5067From: edward faunceApr 27, 1995 7:06 PM
Harry, Many thanks for the info. Ed Faunce
#4116From: Zeddock MillerMar 27, 1995 7:33 AM
Well, I am wondering about the controller ports, really, and if 3rd parties are using them in any ways. I agree with you… BIG BANG for the buck in SVHS! I love it. Zeddock Miller
#4268From: Gary MeyerMar 30, 1995 11:36 PM
(I'm Gary Meyer with TAO Media Systems) TAO has begun shipping a JVC direct 12-pin interface with our Editizer AB roll controller. You can dial into JVC's ProFax system and request document #366–it will send you a fax of all the details in a few minutes. The ProFax number is 201-794-3238. I agree–I love the S-VHS format and this is the greatest breakthrough for S-VHS editing we've seen. This interface has really struck a chord with a lot of folks looking at editing systems right now. Gary
#4463From: Anthony RobertsApr 6, 1995 11:55 PM
Do you know if the Edit desk system can be used with the video toaster for rendering animations.
#4482From: Zeddock MillerApr 7, 1995 11:13 AM
I wouldn't be suprised if something couldn't be worked out for that, but it would take a lot. The edit desk with the TC is 0 frame accurate, but control issues would be hell. Zeddock Miller
#4758From: Gary MeyerApr 17, 1995 9:49 PM
TAO's Editizer has optional software for single frame recording from animation programs. Should work OK with the JVC Edit Desk VCR, BR-S800. Gary Meyer TAO Media Systems
#4592From: Anthony RobertsApr 11, 1995 10:43 PM
Thanks for the reply dude.
#4759From: Gary MeyerApr 17, 1995 9:51 PM
Sorry I was kinda late on that…I was in Las Vegas for 10 days without time to check the board. Gary Meyer
#4756From: Gary MeyerApr 17, 1995 9:33 PM
The BR-S800 recorder fills requirements which may affect animation recording: * Insert capability * Capstan Servo *bumping* * Time code reading/control * +/- 0 frame accuracy with TAO's Editizer when synced correctly Perhaps we could get some additional comments from others who may be reading this. Gary
#4779From: Zeddock MillerApr 18, 1995 9:25 AM
Again, let me test it. Thanx Zeddock Miller
#4796From: Gary MeyerApr 18, 1995 10:17 PM
Please call David Gilmore or Larry Vance at 314-364-4925 about testing.
#4901From: Martin VipondApr 22, 1995 7:19 PM
Zeddock, Sorry about my delay in replying to your question. It looks like Gary Meyer helped you (and me) out with a reply. A big thanks to him! As for myself, I haven't seen any 3rd party hardware advertised yet, but I expect it will happen. This CTL time code thing is just too cool for developers to ignore. It's very fast and easy to use. Martin
#4932From: Zeddock MillerApr 24, 1995 6:01 AM
Absolutely Right about CTL. It works great. Zeddock Miller