#Commodore(UK)
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I've just heard from a friend that Commodore(UK) had gone bust. Can
anybody confirm this.
I don't know about Commodore(UK), but ComputerWorld Denmark reported
last week on the front page, that Commodore Germany will no longer
sell IBM PC clones, but only Amigas, and the 33 Danish Commodore
Business Centres now will change their names to CBC and also carry
other brands. They have done so unofficially for some time in order
to be able to sell large systems e.g. a Compaq server with Commodore
workstations. The future does not seem bright.
Bloody well hope not. They owe me a 386sx Bboard to replace the dud
one I had recently. Apart from that I was speaking to tech support 2
days ago and they seemed to be quite busy.
A busy service (customer support) department doesn't mean the company is
not up the swaney (British expression).
Talk to them again in a month and you know they survived at least part of
a year.
Phil
London Wet and Tired.
I know they are OK. All a question of who you know.
Pete
Pete
From Dorset in Englands westcountry
Commodore (UK) has not gone bust. Times are difficult for most companies
in the UK at the moment and there have been some job cuts in Commodore
(UK). As we know in the US, marketing of the Amiga seems to now be a joint
venture with Newtek.
The IBM PC side of Commodore has been losing money for some time now so
they are closing it down (worldwide as far as I know).
The major players seem to be slowly closing down the platform wars, Mac
and IBM will have more common ground next year and next year's new top of
the range RISC based Amigas will have built-in IBM PC's as standard as
well.
Greg (Also from the UK!)
> The major players seem to be slowly closing down the platform wars, Mac > and
IBM will have more common ground next year and next year's new top of > the
range RISC based Amigas will have built-in IBM PC's as standard as > well.
While the rest of your message is quite correct, and appreciated, I really
wonder where the heck you got that last paragraph. It's utter fiction.
John W
John;
I would like to know why you think the last paragraph in my message is
"utter fiction"? I doubt very much whether your source of information has
more authority than mine.
There is one thing that will prove who is right in this disagreement,
TIME.
Greg
It's pretty funny to hear people telling those employeed or recently
employeed by Commodore in Engineering what new machines are or are not
being worked on.
Dale Larson
– An Amiga Software Engineer with lots of time on his hands.
Dale:
I own an run a recording studio and I help and am helped by C=. I can only
go on what I've been told by a VERY high ranking C= official, who has
given me much information in the past which has ALWAYS proven to be
accurate. I have no reason to disbelieve him on this occasion.
Once again, TIME will tell.
Greg
Say, are you a betting man? 🙂
Dale Larson
– An Amiga Software Engineer with lots of time on his hands.
> I would like to know why you think the last paragraph in my message is >
"utter fiction"? I doubt very much whether your source of information >
has more authority than mine.
>
>There is one thing that will prove who is right in this disagreement,
>TIME.
I'd believe what the people who actually worked on building the products
have to say, not some "high ranking official". And considering that John
and other members of the forum have recently worked at Commodore in the
departments that would be building those mysterious products, I'd put my
money on what they have to say, not the rumor mill.
I'm sure that in the long term they'd do something, but don't look for
anything soon.
Steve
You say that John has recently worked at Commodore, does that imply
that he no longer works there? (If so it's news to me!)
As of last Friday there were heavy layoffs in Engineering and CATS.
Commodore layed off 80 people at West Chester last Friday. There were
huge parties. First keg was drained in an hour or two 🙂
I hope the last one out turns off the lights.
Richard -> via the Amiga 1000 AutoPilot
Are you familar with the bridgeboards opperations? I might beable to come
up with some work for you.
Dave
Elite MicroComputers – Flying high on AutoPilot
Well I hope everyone that was layed off is back on the job soon. I guess
everyone is in a slump lately. Everyone knows what happened with IBM, and
then Apple's stock lost a bunch last week. Haven't followed their stock
this week to see if they re-bound any. But I'm willing to bet CBM will get
back on their feet eventually. They have been through the tough times
before.
// John – (Flying via AutoPilot)
\X/ "Worf: To Hell with the Prime Directive – Give the Borg Windows!"
Did ya see that Scully is no longer head honcho at Apple? The big el axo.
He says he did it on his own, heh heh.
PS- I like the Borg bit 🙂
–Paul < Motorola Inside >
Scully is no longer with Apple? I guess they are taking the ax to a lot of
executive's in the computer industry. Maybe Medhi Ali should start looking
for another job <g>.
Yep, I've received a few comments on the Borg. I don't post it when I'm on
the IBM boards though. I don't think they would appreciate the humor <g>.
Someone just told me that the tagline is somewhat appropriate in that the
new version of IBM's 2.1 OS with Window's support was code named "BORG"
<g>.
// John – (Flying via AutoPilot)
\X/ "Worf: To Hell with the Prime Directive – Give the Borg Windows!"
John:
Scully is still with Apple, he just stepped aside from the CEO
position. It's a move he's been talking about for 2 years. He will be
working behind the scenes with strategic planning from what I heard.
Clint <Chaocity>
That's true…in fact IBM is playing up the "humor" in their brochures. The
latest issue of OS/2 Magazine has a picture of Capt. Picard in his 1/2 Borg
regalia with the tag "The Borg is back".
I guess they don't mind a little humor at their expense….
Having Medhi Ali canned would be the biggest boast to the Amiga since hard
drives.
Richard -> via the Amiga 1000 AutoPilot
John,
I forget his exact titles…but Scully was both President (CEO) and
Chairman of the Board (or some such). He only gave up one of those titles
(CEO). He's still very much a part of Apple.
Don
Steve:
I can appreciate you believing those people who you know and trust.
Likewise I can only believe those people whom I know and trust. I knew the
full spec on the 600, the 1200 and the 4000 as well as many other products
many months before even the romours started and my information has ALWAYS
proven to be accurate.
Maybe on this occasion the information is not accurate, if so it's the
first time in my two year relationship with C=.
I'm not part of the "romour mill" and I have rarely stepped in to disclose
the information I have been privvy to (although I'm not covered by any non
disclosure agreements), my level of information goes beyond the engineers
and into the board room.
I'm not knocking anyone on this forum but I'm bound to trust those
people who I know personally and who have proven so reliable.
Have you considered the possibility that this product is just for the
UK or Europe, (it would not be the first time) as I haven't asked I
don't know whether this may be the case (unlikely though).
I originally stepped in with information to put a poor worried
amigan's fears to rest. Instead of thanks I'm starting to find this
thread becomming more and more personally insulting. I will think
twice before attempting to help in the future.
If anyone is comming off as insulting, they probably didn't mean to and
they are probably sorry that you are taking offense. One of the
unfortunate parts of electronic communication is that you can't see us
chuckling behind our keyboards, taking a friendly poke at you after you
took a (presumably) friendly poke at us.
There are few things in life one can state with certainty. Fewer
things still that one can state with certainty about Commodore. One
of them is, however, that any new machine has to be built by
somebody. Unless the guys "in the boardroom" have gone and picked up
EE degrees without telling anyone, or started a "UK Only" or "Europe
Only" Engineering department outside of West Chester, the Engineers
in WC absolutely know what isn't going to be a product in the
reasonably near future. Note that I didn't say they know what -is-
going to be a product, only what -isn't-.
Please don't stop posting. Just realize that sometimes, no matter how
right you are, people will disagree with you. If you prove to be right
in the end, you get to gloat. If not, oh well. We all make mistakes,
and I certainly make more than my share.
Since you were recently in CBM, any inside info on the prevailing mood?
It sure is depressing on the outside, I was wondering if it is the same
on the other side of the computer.
Richard -> via the Amiga 1000 AutoPilot
At the parties Friday, those who had been laid off received
congratulations, those who had not got hugs and condolances.
Dale Larson
– An Amiga Software Engineer with lots of time on his hands.
I sort of had a feeling it would be like that. With all the bad news
coming out of that place, it couldn't be a good place to work.
Richard -> via the Amiga 1000 AutoPilot
One thing Richard,
I worked there for 6 years, and I do not regret the time that I spent
there. It was a great place to work, I mean, you could rub elbows with
some of the more respected programmers in the field, from Mike Sinz, to
Dale Larson, to Dave Haney and Greg Berlin and Randell Jesup. The people
were great, the management got agravating, but then most of you know that
since I have seen that most of you have vented your spleen from time to
time. One of the disadvantages that I had by working at Commodore was that
I could not agree with folks when I thought that management was making
mistakes. I hope things go well for the folks left behind. They have a lot
of hard work ahead of them if they are going to be able to turn things
around.
Greg
Greg Givler – CBMSER Sysop
Commodore Product Assurance
Well first, please don't stop posting in the forum. We encourage everyone
to participate.
The only reason I posted the message was that it was pretty obvious you
didn't know that the people that were posting replies to you were (very)
recent Commodore employees and your responses to them seemed pretty
insulting as well …And that's something these folks don't need to hear
at the moment.
In any event, that's all water under the bridge. I'm looking forward to
future releases from Commodore, and hope we'll see something sooner,
rather than later.
Steve