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#NewTek talks in NYC

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#32260From: Miguel ChavezJun 24, 1993 7:47 AM
Hello folks… I've just returned from a Toaster Expo. (Jeez, I hope I'm the first to post this!) What Toaster Expo is that, you ask? Audio Techniques here in Manhattan held a little open house/seminar for the T4000 and Newtek's own Kiki Stockhammer showed up (as well as two other Newtekker's)! While I don't claim perfect memory, (notice how I've forgotten the names of the Newtekker's except Kiki!) I will try to illuminate some of the highlights… 1. The T4000 was fantastic! Lightwave was even better! But you all know that. 🙂 2. Kiki showed a new 4000 demo tape featuring Penn Jillette, Wil Wheaton, and the skateboarding dude that's made it into the print brochure Newtek's been passing around. She also played a 2 minute teaser for Seaquest which looked dynamite. Congrat's John Gross, your stuff looks way cool! 3. There was a 10 min. Q&A after the formal demo. One of the other Newtek people represented Sales, and he basically outlined what we've all been hearing about… there will a three level upgrade for current 2.0 toaster users, as well as the cooperative NewTek/CBM 2000 to T4000 power-up plan. Expect solid word about all this by next week sometime. 4. No forseeable effort on a Newtek initiated T4000T (Toaster 4000 Tower). ?? 5. Newtek, while still professing to eventually offer a complete video suite, also realizes the importance of what it sees as a growing Toaster market. At NAB, approx. 40 small companies offered 3rd party support for the Toaster, and Newtek is smart enough to see that it would be best to not put these folks out of business too fast. (You could also look at this as their way of not shouldering everything we want from them) 6. Audio support? Look at 3rd party. (see above comment) 7. Digital Video? Hah! They had a good laugh at Quicktime and Video for Windows. Alot of folks (yours truly included!) gave them a good cheer for taking that stand. They mentioned something that completely slipped my mind and almost made my jaw hit the floor. Remember NewTek's Demo Reels? Remember how they quickly pulled out Demo Reel 2 for some weird reason? They had, BACK IN 1987/8, Digiview Pro which would (take a guess) capture live video at about 1/4 screen size and play it back at about 15-20 fps. They didn't go with it because they couldn't understand what anyone would want to do with such a miserable output. They say DVE is definitely in the works but not for about another 2 years or so. They wanna do it right. (Another indicator of this is Kiki's mention that Newtek does not want to associate itself with the term "Desktop Video" anymore because it connotes lame Mac/IBM attempts at such things. They've adopted PVP, Personal Video Production, instead.) 8. PAL Toaster? Yes, also around '95. 9. Toaster s/w on CD-ROM/Syquest/Optical? "Definitely/maybe/why not?" 🙂 10. The Toaster just won an Emmy for Technical Achievement. They're attitude was "so what?" Go figger… 11. When the formalities broke down, I spent a good half hour watching one of the Newtek Tech dudes demo LW3.0 as well as listen in to the Sales guys pitch from his throne. Suffice it to say that I loved the demo but noticed a palpable anger towards CBM from the sales guy. I casually asked if CBM and Newtek are friends now and he said "No, we're just not enemies anymore." 12. Further, he said that CBM is essentially waking up to the fact that you can't fight Newtek, and that a significant reason for their recent shakedown is to focus on the only market they can actually tout as being their own: Desktop Video (or PVP, see above). And the best way for CBM to hold this market, let Newtek do what it's been doing… stay out of their way. In essence, he makes it sound like CBM is going to work for Newtek. That at least here in the states, the only reason the Amiga is still around is because of Newtek. Some proof? He mentioned that sales for the 4000 were pretty flat til about a week ago, when the T4000 started shipping, and now they're flying out of the dealer's shelves. (Is this true?) Pretty arrogant, but I guess I should take his comments with a grain of salt… after all, he IS trying to pitch product; no need to be truthful or anything. 🙂 Comments? Miguel ——– AP, AP, and away!
#32277From: Erik FlomJun 24, 1993 1:38 PM
Miguel: Thanks for the detailed report! As for the effect of the T4000 on 4000 sales, I can only say that _I_ had planned on never buying another C= product. Then the T4000 was announced, and I bought a 4000 last week. . . Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom P.S. Did they say you could order the current upgrade on CD-ROM?!?
#32378From: Anthony RamirezJun 26, 1993 12:06 AM
>P.S. Did they say you could order the current upgrade on CD-ROM?!? I don't know what they said at the demo but the local VT dealer says that the 3.0 upgrade will take up 55 megs of HD space and will be distributed on floppies (45?). <<< Tony D. Tracer >>>
#32381From: Christopher LapriseJun 26, 1993 1:23 AM
No, Tony, not 55 megs for the Toaster 400 s/w… I just ordered a T4000 and asked the dealer and NewTek about the software: 1) It's compressed on the floppies and will use up *110* Megs of HD space! ; 2) There is no CD-ROM version. Ugh. -Chris
#32388From: John GrossJun 26, 1993 2:13 AM
That size is for the software on a 4000 which also inclused some animations. The upgrade software for older style boards will take up less. JG
#32491From: Anthony RamirezJun 27, 1993 2:29 PM
>No, Tony, not 55 megs for the Toaster 400 s/w… As I said before, the `3.0' (which would be in a A2000, NON-AGA) sw takes up around 50 megs and the T4000 (in a A4000, AGA) will use over 100 megs. They are NOT supplying ANY CD-ROM upgrades but there is talk that the `next' up grade will probably be available on CD-ROM. I didn't mean to confuse anyone. <<< Tony D. Tracer >>>
#32442From: Erik FlomJun 26, 1993 2:43 PM
45 floppies, and the last ten will be HD floppies for 4000 specific stuff. (I was told by Arnie Cachelin that the entire installed upgrade wouldn't fit on a single 88M Syquest cartridge?!?) Also, the next upgrade (4.0?) will _definitely_ be available on CD-ROM. Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom
#32398From: Miguel ChavezJun 26, 1993 6:20 AM
No, you can't order the CD-ROM version yet… they said it's in the works for the future. Miguel ——– AP, AP, and away!
#32443From: Erik FlomJun 26, 1993 2:43 PM
Oh well, I can dream, can't I? :^) Keep On Toastin' Erik Flom
#32508From: Ron LegroJun 27, 1993 8:56 PM
Re your item #7 on digital video and Newtek's never-marketed Digiview Pro: Too bad Newtek couldn't see the appeal of quarter-screen video. I happen to agree that it's pretty useless, but it's a toy that a lot of people are fooling around with, and it's transformed the PC and Mac markets. Those people actually think they have access to a breakthrough range of products. Yes, over on the Multimedia forum you can listen to a steady parade of PC and Mac users complaining about the crummy video they get unless they spend really big bucks (and maybe not even then). Nevertheless, the point is, the market let them make that choice, and some people jumped right in with both feet. They're not likely to get ticked off if Quicktime dies in favor of a newer video standard, only more hooked on PCs and Macs. Hucksterism in computers pays off! I wish Newtek would've pushed its equivalent product big time (some products similar to Digiview Plus WERE marketed by others, but never quite with the oomph to get beyond background noise level). Imagine a well-marketed product for the Amiga doing Quicktime-type stuff back in, say, 1987. The Amiga would've blown the competition out of the water forever! Now, "doing it right" may mean there won't be a market by the time Newtek and the Amiga get there. — Ron Legro, Milwaukee via AUTOPILOT (the only way to fly)
#32882From: Miguel ChavezJul 3, 1993 7:51 PM
(Just got back from a week long business trip in sunny Orlando, FL) Yeah, 1/4 screen QT is something that could only have helped Amigadom gain more acceptance in the market. My feeling, tho, is that IF a QT-clone ever sees the light of day, it will be tons better than what is available out there now, standard, in a Mac or PC. It only makes sense. Then again, sense and Amiga aren't that closely linked. (no flames please!) (good to be back and see that I have to wade through about 1,000 messages! Ah, AP, where would my bill be without you?) Miguel ——– AP, AP, and away!