#NewTek talks in NYC
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Hello folks…
I've just returned from a Toaster Expo. (Jeez, I hope I'm the first to
post this!)
What Toaster Expo is that, you ask? Audio Techniques here in Manhattan
held a little open house/seminar for the T4000 and Newtek's own Kiki
Stockhammer showed up (as well as two other Newtekker's)!
While I don't claim perfect memory, (notice how I've forgotten the names
of the Newtekker's except Kiki!) I will try to illuminate some of the
highlights…
1. The T4000 was fantastic! Lightwave was even better! But you all know
that. 🙂
2. Kiki showed a new 4000 demo tape featuring Penn Jillette, Wil Wheaton,
and the skateboarding dude that's made it into the print brochure Newtek's
been passing around. She also played a 2 minute teaser for Seaquest which
looked dynamite. Congrat's John Gross, your stuff looks way cool!
3. There was a 10 min. Q&A after the formal demo. One of the other
Newtek people represented Sales, and he basically outlined what we've all
been hearing about… there will a three level upgrade for current 2.0
toaster users, as well as the cooperative NewTek/CBM 2000 to T4000
power-up plan. Expect solid word about all this by next week sometime.
4. No forseeable effort on a Newtek initiated T4000T (Toaster 4000
Tower). ??
5. Newtek, while still professing to eventually offer a complete video
suite, also realizes the importance of what it sees as a growing Toaster
market. At NAB, approx. 40 small companies offered 3rd party support for
the Toaster, and Newtek is smart enough to see that it would be best to
not put these folks out of business too fast. (You could also look at
this as their way of not shouldering everything we want from them)
6. Audio support? Look at 3rd party. (see above comment)
7. Digital Video? Hah! They had a good laugh at Quicktime and Video for
Windows. Alot of folks (yours truly included!) gave them a good cheer for
taking that stand. They mentioned something that completely slipped my
mind and almost made my jaw hit the floor. Remember NewTek's Demo Reels?
Remember how they quickly pulled out Demo Reel 2 for some weird reason?
They had, BACK IN 1987/8, Digiview Pro which would (take a guess) capture
live video at about 1/4 screen size and play it back at about 15-20 fps.
They didn't go with it because they couldn't understand what anyone would
want to do with such a miserable output. They say DVE is definitely in
the works but not for about another 2 years or so. They wanna do it
right.
(Another indicator of this is Kiki's mention that Newtek does not want to
associate itself with the term "Desktop Video" anymore because it connotes
lame Mac/IBM attempts at such things. They've adopted PVP, Personal Video
Production, instead.)
8. PAL Toaster? Yes, also around '95.
9. Toaster s/w on CD-ROM/Syquest/Optical? "Definitely/maybe/why not?" 🙂
10. The Toaster just won an Emmy for Technical Achievement. They're
attitude was "so what?" Go figger…
11. When the formalities broke down, I spent a good half hour watching
one of the Newtek Tech dudes demo LW3.0 as well as listen in to the Sales
guys pitch from his throne. Suffice it to say that I loved the demo but
noticed a palpable anger towards CBM from the sales guy. I casually asked
if CBM and Newtek are friends now and he said "No, we're just not enemies
anymore."
12. Further, he said that CBM is essentially waking up to the fact that
you can't fight Newtek, and that a significant reason for their recent
shakedown is to focus on the only market they can actually tout as being
their own: Desktop Video (or PVP, see above). And the best way for CBM to
hold this market, let Newtek do what it's been doing… stay out of their
way.
In essence, he makes it sound like CBM is going to work for Newtek.
That at least here in the states, the only reason the Amiga is still
around is because of Newtek. Some proof? He mentioned that sales for the
4000 were pretty flat til about a week ago, when the T4000 started
shipping, and now they're flying out of the dealer's shelves. (Is this
true?)
Pretty arrogant, but I guess I should take his comments with a grain of
salt… after all, he IS trying to pitch product; no need to be truthful
or anything. 🙂
Comments?
Miguel ——– AP, AP, and away!
Miguel:
Thanks for the detailed report!
As for the effect of the T4000 on 4000 sales, I can only say that _I_ had
planned on never buying another C= product.
Then the T4000 was announced, and I bought a 4000 last week. . .
Keep On Toastin'
Erik Flom
P.S. Did they say you could order the current upgrade on CD-ROM?!?
>P.S. Did they say you could order the current upgrade on CD-ROM?!?
I don't know what they said at the demo but the local VT dealer says that
the 3.0 upgrade will take up 55 megs of HD space and will be distributed
on floppies (45?).
<<< Tony D. Tracer >>>
No, Tony, not 55 megs for the Toaster 400 s/w… I just ordered a T4000
and asked the dealer and NewTek about the software: 1) It's compressed on
the floppies and will use up *110* Megs of HD space! ; 2) There is no
CD-ROM version.
Ugh.
-Chris
That size is for the software on a 4000 which also inclused some
animations. The upgrade software for older style boards will take up
less.
JG
>No, Tony, not 55 megs for the Toaster 400 s/w…
As I said before, the `3.0' (which would be in a A2000, NON-AGA) sw takes
up around 50 megs and the T4000 (in a A4000, AGA) will use over 100 megs.
They are NOT supplying ANY CD-ROM upgrades but there is talk that the
`next' up grade will probably be available on CD-ROM.
I didn't mean to confuse anyone.
<<< Tony D. Tracer >>>
45 floppies, and the last ten will be HD floppies for 4000 specific
stuff.
(I was told by Arnie Cachelin that the entire installed upgrade wouldn't
fit on a single 88M Syquest cartridge?!?)
Also, the next upgrade (4.0?) will _definitely_ be available on CD-ROM.
Keep On Toastin'
Erik Flom
Keep On Toastin'
Erik Flom
No, you can't order the CD-ROM version yet… they said it's in the works
for the future.
Miguel ——– AP, AP, and away!
Re your item #7 on digital video and Newtek's never-marketed Digiview Pro:
Too bad Newtek couldn't see the appeal of quarter-screen video. I happen
to agree that it's pretty useless, but it's a toy that a lot of people are
fooling around with, and it's transformed the PC and Mac markets. Those
people actually think they have access to a breakthrough range of
products.
Yes, over on the Multimedia forum you can listen to a steady parade of PC
and Mac users complaining about the crummy video they get unless they
spend really big bucks (and maybe not even then). Nevertheless, the point
is, the market let them make that choice, and some people jumped right in
with both feet. They're not likely to get ticked off if Quicktime dies in
favor of a newer video standard, only more hooked on PCs and Macs.
Hucksterism in computers pays off!
I wish Newtek would've pushed its equivalent product big time (some
products similar to Digiview Plus WERE marketed by others, but never quite
with the oomph to get beyond background noise level). Imagine a
well-marketed product for the Amiga doing Quicktime-type stuff back in,
say, 1987. The Amiga would've blown the competition out of the water
forever! Now, "doing it right" may mean there won't be a market by the
time Newtek and the Amiga get there.
— Ron Legro, Milwaukee
via AUTOPILOT (the only way to fly)
(Just got back from a week long business trip in sunny Orlando, FL)
Yeah, 1/4 screen QT is something that could only have helped Amigadom gain
more acceptance in the market. My feeling, tho, is that IF a QT-clone
ever sees the light of day, it will be tons better than what is available
out there now, standard, in a Mac or PC. It only makes sense. Then
again, sense and Amiga aren't that closely linked. (no flames please!)
(good to be back and see that I have to wade through about 1,000 messages!
Ah, AP, where would my bill be without you?)
Miguel ——– AP, AP, and away!