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#A1200 RAM expansion?

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#86135From: Scott HarrisJan 22, 1993 8:14 PM
How much RAM can you put in a 1200? Can you use standard SIMMs? If you put in an accelerator that includes a PMMU (i.e. an accelerator with a 68030), would it work with that shareware "virtual memory" utility? ===Scott
#86157From: Denny Atkin [COMPUTE/AmiJan 22, 1993 10:54 PM
Scott, You can add up to 8MB of RAM to a stock A1200. The expansion card you'll need uses standard *32-bit* SIMMs, which are 72-pin SIMMs. If you're thinking of bringing SIMMs over from an older Amiga, they won't work, as those are likely 16-bit SIMMs. GVP just announced the $499 A1230, a 40MHz 68EC030 expander with two SIMM slots that will let you add up to 32MB of RAM (for a total of 34MB) to your A1200. It also has a socket for a 68881 or 68882. Nobody's announced a board that uses the non-EC030 yet, but if they do, you could use virtual memory. But with 32MB of RAM, who needs it? 😉
#86195From: Dave CinegeJan 23, 1993 4:30 AM
Where did you hear about this GVP board? Dave Elite MicroComputers – via Whap!
#86204From: Denny Atkin [COMPUTE/AmiJan 23, 1993 10:10 AM
GVP sent me a press release.
#86305From: Dave CinegeJan 24, 1993 10:19 AM
What features does it have….someone mentioned a 68030 40MHz and up to 32 megs ram expansion….does it have a 68882 ? Dave Elite MicroComputers – via Whap!
#86441From: Denny Atkin [COMPUTE/AmiJan 25, 1993 7:26 PM
Dave, It's a 40MHz 68EC030, 2 SIMM sockets supporting up to 32MB of 32-bit Fast RAM, and a socket for an 881/882. It comes with a 1MB 32-bit SIMM and retails for $499. The press release indicated that you can mix SIMM sizes, so you don't have to toss the 1MB SIMM when you first add memory to it.
#86636From: Steve SetzerJan 27, 1993 5:05 PM
Shesh, another 68EC0xx! Are they that much cheaper than a full fledged 680xx? I know there is not much use for the mmu on the amiga now, but looking ahead…… Everyone I know that has the EC030 plans to replace it (if they can). …Steve ====>>> Motorola 68030 Inside <<<====
#86887From: Brian CowanJan 29, 1993 11:24 PM
EC0xx! Are they that much cheaper than a full fledged xx? In a word: Yes. It also happens that Motorola doesn't make a 40MHz "normal" 030. So for about the same price as a 25MHz 68030, you get a chip 60%+ faster that will run just about anything a body would want. // Brian — Cruising on AutoPilot….. \X/
#86886From: Brian CowanJan 29, 1993 11:23 PM
Sounds like a killer expansion to me….. I may delay the MBX1200 purchase. But then again, the 1200 is by no means scheduled to replace my 3000. I want the 1200 because it's easier to carry than the 3000. // Brian — Cruising on AutoPilot….. \X/
#86246From: Jim SteeleJan 23, 1993 7:33 PM
Denny, Have you heard any comments on power shortages with these A1200 add-ons? I noticed that the 1200's power supply is even smaller than the 500's. It's only rated at 3 amps on the 5v. I had one customer tell me his 1200 wouldn't work reliably with an external floppy drive connected and using the 1200 PS. It worked fine with a 500 power brick…. Jim
#86248From: Dennis O'NeillJan 23, 1993 8:06 PM
Jim, I have the Microbotics ram board with 4 meg, the 85 meg Maxtor, and an external floppy on my A1200 and have had no problems so far. I was a bit suprised to see that the 1200's power supply was smaller than my 500's. Commodore didn't realy intend for the 500 too be expanded very much but the 1200 is a different story. Dennis ….on AutoPilot
#86353From: Jim SteeleJan 24, 1993 8:20 PM
Dennis, Maybe we just had bad luck… Our first 1200 had a bad power supply and a flakey HD. I had to open the second & reseat the ROMS and HD cable. The third was fine… In fairness the boxes looked well-traveled, so I'm not surprised at some flakiness. I put an 85 meg Seagate in the third 1200, we'll see how that goes. Jim
#86460From: Brian CowanJan 25, 1993 10:51 PM
You are using the 85 MB Maxtor drive? I had heard some horror stories about it. How well does it work saving LARGE (165+k) files and reloading them? // Brian — Cruising on AutoPilot….. \X/
#86549From: Dennis O'NeillJan 26, 1993 8:24 PM
It works fine. Way faster than the AdIDE and Quantum LPS setup that I had in my A500. I did reset the MaxTransfer to 0x1ffff as had been suggested. I never tried it with the stock setting. Dennis ….on AutoPilot
#86663From: Brian CowanJan 27, 1993 8:42 PM
I'll have to pass that on. 128KB max transfer size…. Got it. // Brian — Cruising on AutoPilot….. \X/
#86662From: michel beausejourJan 27, 1993 8:20 PM
concerning that (transfering large files) the maxtransfer has to be set to $1ffff with th HDtoolBox .(That limit is set by the drive) Doing this it will clear your problem. Bye Michel
#86664From: Brian CowanJan 27, 1993 8:42 PM
Thanks. That way when the computer FINALLY arrives, I'll be able to INSURE that it is set up right. // Brian — Cruising on AutoPilot….. \X/
#86772From: michel beausejourJan 28, 1993 8:45 PM
yeah "FINALLY ARRIVES" i order mine before XMAS and it's not in yet. I even left a complaint message on their 800-line nobody bother to call me back I saw lot of messages here and on Genie complaining about Commodore and with my experience with them i feel betrail( spelling maybe wrong i'm a frenchie you know') Bye Michel
#86297From: Denny Atkin [COMPUTE/AmiJan 24, 1993 9:39 AM
Jim, Nope, I haven't heard of this problem, but 3 amps isn't much. One thing I'm curious about is whether the A1200HD ships with the same power supply as the A1200. I heard reports in the UK that they were shipping 4.5 amp supplies with some and 3 amp supplies with the other. Commodore seems to have been really crippling the A1200's without HDs by taking anything and everything they can out of the box that can save them a buck–I wonder if they're using smaller power supplies as well? Can someone who bought a Commodore-configured A1200HD with the 40MB drive look at the bottom of their power supply and see what the amp rating is on the 5v line?
#86354From: Jim SteeleJan 24, 1993 8:21 PM
Denny, All of the 1200's I've seen, a whopping 3 🙂 have had the 3A supply. Two were HDs, the other a plain. At least they left in the HD mounting bracket in the non-HD machine. If I get a chance tomorrow, I'll hack an ammeter into the bench supply and see how much power the 1200 is really taking. Jim
#86361From: Robert ComerJan 24, 1993 10:22 PM
3 Amp supply here… Will a 500 power supply work? I have no problems here, but if I put anything more on it, I don't know… Bob Comer
#86443From: Denny Atkin [COMPUTE/AmiJan 25, 1993 7:26 PM
Bob, Yep, a 500 supply will work. That's what the pre-release A1200 we reviewed for Resource had–a 4.5 amp A500 supply.
#86451From: Robert ComerJan 25, 1993 9:10 PM
Thanks! I wasn't sure if the pinouts are the same… (I just happen to have a A500 PS sitting here doing nothing, and if I add more, a Bigfoot PS 🙂 Bob Comer
#86367From: David KieltykaJan 24, 1993 10:37 PM
Denny, My A1200HD came with the 3 amp A600 power supply. I intend to get a beefier brick once I pop an accelerator and/or additional RAM in the belly slot. -Dave (via AutoPilot)
#86368From: allan frantaJan 24, 1993 10:40 PM
I just looked, and it says 3.0 Amps. It also says "Power Supply A 600" What does that tell ya?
#86444From: Denny Atkin [COMPUTE/AmiJan 25, 1993 7:27 PM
Allan, and everyone else who answered: Thanks, that confirms what I thought. I wasn't sure if the HD models shipped with a larger supply or not. I'm glad they don't, because I'd hate to see _another_ difference between the A1200 and A1200HD models.
#86372From: Mike MillerJan 24, 1993 11:58 PM
Denny – My 1200hd/40 has a 3-amp +5v output. NEAT MACHINE!!!! Mike
#86267From: Scott HarrisJan 23, 1993 10:38 PM
>Nobody's announced a board that uses the non-EC030 yet, but if they do, you could use virtual memory. But with 32MB of RAM, who needs it? ;-)< It's just that HD space is cheaper than buying RAM. It would be nice to be able to buy an accelerator, and as a side benefit, be able to get more "RAM" (virtually) at the same time, perhaps adding "real" RAM at a later date, after the budget has recovered from buying the accelerator. I guess the non-EC versions must be noticeably more expensive, if no one's doing it. ===Scott
#86164From: David KieltykaJan 23, 1993 12:22 AM
Scott, You can add up to eight megs of RAM to a standard A1200 via its belly slot. The type of RAM used is, I imagine, up to the company making the expansion board. MicroBotics' MBX 1200, as far as I know the only A1200 RAM board currently on the market, uses the same SIMMs as the A4000 (and lots of PCs). With an accelerator board you also gain full 32-bit memory addressing. GVP has just announced an A1200 accelerator; this board features a 40 mHz 68030 (it may be a 68EC030…not sure) and can accept up to 32 megs of RAM. If GVP's accelerator uses a proper '030, not the EC variety, then it'll work with the various virtual memory utilities. -Dave (via AutoPilot)