CompuServe Thread

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#133764From: Don Curtis/SYSOPJul 8, 1988 9:56 PM
Larry, Again..Apple had been around for about 5 or 6 years when IBM entered the market. Apple was fairly well established in some schools at that time, but the general populus had no idea what personal computing was all about. Good or bad, IBM exposed these folks to personal computing. Those of us who saw thru those initials and saw the old technology inside the machines didn't bite….but lots and lots of folks did…because of those initials. Because of that…that fact that those initials were powerful enough to lure folks into personal computers and make them commonplace…our current society is well down the road towards computer literacy. With out that, it would have taken many years longer. To be honest…I suspect that the Amiga would not exist today, were it not for that large base of computer literate users out there. The Amiga chip set might have been around…in the 'super game machine' they were first designed for…not in a computer. Don
#133797From: John DraperJul 9, 1988 12:37 AM
Don, Even if I agreed with your assesment of the situation just prior to IBm releasing (or did it escape?) the IBM PC, I could still not in good conscience give them any 'credit' for the advancement of the small computer field. it would be similar to giving someone credit for being tall or for having blue eyes. The state of the industry was certainly changed by IBMs entry, but it was not because IBM did a good job designing it, or because of what it was, but rather in spite of those things. As I said before, a lot of people jumped on the bandwagon because they somehow knew that there were a lot of people who would buy on name alone. I think it was Henry Ford that said "You can't go wrong underestimating the American public." (it goes for _any_ public of course, but that weren't his words) -larry
#133834From: Don Curtis/SYSOPJul 9, 1988 12:15 PM
Larry, I agree with you basic assesment…that in spite of the product, the initials sold the machine. But that was my whole point, if IBM didn't have those initials (so to speak)…the world wouldn't be as computer literate today as they are. Certainly it wasn't because their product was a neat thing…it was only because of those initials….but that doesn't matter in the overall view of things. IF that company had decided not to enter the Personal Computer arena…Personal Computers would not be as wide spread today as they are. Plain and simple. I didn't say this was their plan, but it did work out that way, and since IBM was a 'cause'…then they should get the credit inspite of thier product. Don
#133872From: Black Belt SystemsJul 9, 1988 6:59 PM
Don, that's an assumption, not a fact…. and I disagree with it. If IBM hadn't introduced what was not only _old_ technology, but a technology that demonstrably _reduces_ a programmers ability to create programs above a certain size, we would be FAR ahead of where we are now. All those programmers, working with shackles on their keyboards… <shaking head> What makes you think someone else wouldn't have gone where IBM went – and probably done it right? Hmmm? IBMs acceptance was partially their name, but the market was ripe for a reliable, carefully engineered machine, which is what IBM gave them. They jsut saw it first. You think pet rocks made it because what's-his-name innvented them? Nah, if you had invented them, the _same_ people would have bought them. The _market_ was there. It's jsut our sorry state that IBM got there first, is all. I'm inclined to agree (sort of) with one point you made – we probably wouldn't have the Amiga, or the Amiga as it is today… we'd probably have more bitplanes, the _dope_ who limited the addressing capability to 8mb would be hanging in chains in some dungeon, or writing "I will implement the entire address range in my next design 2^32 times on a blackboard somewhere in the institute for Mentally crippled engineers, right alongside the pinhead who arbitrarily limited the color specifier in EXEC to 8 bits… We'd for sure have a higher-end processor, and I feel reasonably certain that chips for blitting and so on wouldn't be limited to tiny areas of memory (Talk about _stupid_…) like they are today. IBM. <sticking finger down throat> –Ben–