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#32742From: Paul WernerJan 20, 1993 1:22 AM
Wayne, We have only been working with the product for a few months. The students have been working through the tutorial and making logos for our weekly news show and daily announcements on CCTV. They like the fact that their work is seen by the entire student body and that is the best incentive for their desire to improve. The biggest problem is that we can only afford one copy of the program, so the 10 students who are serious about learning the product have to battle for time on the machine. I wish there was a policy similar to your one with Autocad where a student can purchase the product for $150. The education price for 3DS2 is $750 for students and faculty. I realize that this is a considerable savings, but, realistically, it puts it out of range for almost all teachers and students at this level. I rarely have a chance to get to the machine during the day, so I loaded it on mine at home and bring the hardware lock back and forth. The tutorials have been excellent so far. Most of the students can work on their own with quick results. However, the product is so extensive that some students feel overwhelmed and don't keep at it. I'll try to answer the rest of your questions at another time. Thanks for the ear (or is it an eye?) Paul
#33077From: Wayne Hodgins [Adesk]Jan 22, 1993 3:46 PM
Thanks for the input Paul. We are certainly looking into student versions of all our products and I will get a copy of this email to the appropriate people here. Please keep this feedback comming! We need and want everything you can offer. Would it be possible to get some direct from your students as well? Hope we can look forward to seeing some uploads of their work into DL11 here (Data Library). [NOTE: Uploads are FREE of connect charges!] As for the overwhelming problem, yes it certainly is a significant program and endevor to tackle all that it can do. I might add that while it can sometimes seem more pronounced with new areas that 3DS address, the same "syndrome" exists for AutoCAD and other programs. I guess it might be worth pointing out though that if you have to have problems (isn't this a given?!) then this is a "nice" problem to have! <g> Some of the most consistent and successful practices to reduce this include: – have the students work in teams and encourage individuals to evolve into specialists in some area or application. These specialist in turn pass on what they know to the other and take on responsibilities for getting that aspect of the project done. No different than the situation of a company making a new product, imagine how "overwhelming" it would feel if one person had to run the whole company and do every job! [More]
#33078From: Wayne Hodgins [Adesk]Jan 22, 1993 3:46 PM
[Continued] – work with individuals to identify their areas of strengths, interests, etc. and then follow through with helping them choose projects that match. You will always work MUCH harder on something you WANT to do and like to do and there are some amazing stories out there (I am sure you have your own too) of the incredible amount of work a student will put in and the obstacles they will overcome when they are MOTIVATED learners. While your responsibility as a professional educator certainly mandates that you don't overwhelm your students toooooo much, you must also keep walking that fine line between overwhelming and challenging! Gee, sounds like the problems of overwhelming vs challenging that your students have is VERY similar to the problems YOU face as an educator!!! <g> Number one rule? …………………… Keep it FUN!! (for both of you!) wayne
#33290From: Paul WernerJan 25, 1993 1:24 AM
Thanks for the reply. Are you a teacher? Your ideas are first rate. I don't have to worry about 3Ds projects being fun. The students keep coming back, it's addictive. They work, they see results immediately(good or bad), and they get feedback from their peers. Paul
#33472From: Pat Vernon [ATC TM]Jan 26, 1993 4:59 PM
Paul, What are some of the assigments that you give to your 3ds classes? What is the format of the class? Have you found any thing that works better than others? There are several 3ds teachers hanging out here and it would be great to have an opened ended discussion here on the tips and tricks for teaching 3ds. we can all learn a lot more by sharing with each other and thios is a great way to do it. Can you post some of your student work in data lib. 11? PAT PS : Wayne is a former teacher, we might let him back in the ranks.< Big G> Actually he is doing far more for all teachers where he is.
#33534From: Wayne Hodgins [Adesk]Jan 27, 1993 12:34 AM
Gee, does it show that badly Paul? <g> Yes, in a former life I was indeed a teacher. Still think that way and no doubt always will, but I am working from a different angle now to try to effect more and broader changes in education globally. (should be finished next week!!) Glad the comments were of some help. Filter anything I throw up here though as I am usually logging on from some airport or hotel at some ridiculous hour and my brain is suspect at the best of times! And no thanks to all you out there in the cheap seats, we DO NOT need any testimonials from you on this latter remark!! Keep us posted on you and your student Paul. That is what we have this section for. wayne