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#RSA Encryption for Amy

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#56375From: Roy S. LauferJul 9, 1989 7:10 AM
I just read about a software company planning to release a very sophisticated form of encryption program based on the RSA public key algorithm. With a list price of $199, I wonder how many curious people will be buying it. I can see little A500's sitting there in the basements of U.S. embassies, as coded messages are de-crypted nad encrypted <grin>. The same company will be selling a encryption program modelled on the old WW II enigma encryption machine for a much smaller price. How far we've come from having MaxiComm as the only commercial program available. Just think what the future holds… -RSL-
#56422From: Bill EastburnJul 9, 1989 4:09 PM
I have visions of Embassy security officers all over the world telling their ambassadors they can buy all the Amiga 500s they want, but can't use any of them. Welllll…… you might get a 500 tightened up enough to be used in a screen room for under $10K if you know the right engineer types. On the other hand, maybe the business sector could use that type program….. I wonder what an encrypted order for a Big Mac and Fries would do to the competition <grin>. Bill, K3OZM
#56438From: Roy S. LauferJul 9, 1989 5:16 PM
Bill, If you think it's easy to keep track of simple passwords for BBS' and locked DB and word processors, can you imagine RSA encrypted programs use prime numbers that are 100 digits long. Try to memorize a few of those! -RSL-
#56547From: Don Curtis/SYSOPJul 10, 1989 12:26 AM
Roy, You keep saying "RSA"…don't you mean "DES" encryption that's used by the "DSA". Don
#56549From: John DraperJul 10, 1989 1:19 AM
Don, Gee, I hope not. DES is the NSA sanctioned one, and has been proven to be less than excellent. In fact, the suspicion is that the NSA has the means to decrypt it, and would rather everyone used DES. The real 'public key' systems are much better, and of course the NSA doesn't like that one bit. 🙂 -larry
#56681From: Don Curtis/SYSOPJul 10, 1989 11:28 PM
Larry, Of course, the other problem with DES is that it can't legally be sold outside of North America…so the program could only be sold in the US and Canada. I recently read an article on encryption (forget which magazine) and it didn't mention any problems with DES other than I believe it only met the category B security level since it can in fact be broken, but it takes significant effort to do so. Don
#56693From: John DraperJul 11, 1989 12:37 AM
Don, The point about not being able to be sold outside the US is one I hadn't thought of (though it can now be sold in specific countries, Canada being one example). It surely would decrease the potential market. The 'public key' method is definitely superior though. -larry
#56927From: Roy S. LauferJul 12, 1989 8:01 PM
Don, RSA encryption falls under the same restriction. It can not be sold outside of the U.S. of A. It is an intriguing algorithm. I remember trying to code it using Atari Basic (for my Atari 800) a LONG time ago. I never got very far, but I decided if I could do it, it would take a few days to encrypt a single sentence! -RSL-
#56594From: Roy S. LauferJul 10, 1989 5:05 PM
Don, No, I don't mean DES, as you correctly stated it is THE encryption method approved by the DSA. RSA is another type of encryption technique (I believe the initials stand for the three mathematicians that have patented the algorithm). It has the feature of a "private" and "public" key, which not only encodes it to specific people without knowing the de-coding key themselves, but you can encrypt it with your "private" key, which proves you sent it, because it de-codes using your public key. It hinges on the assumption that it would be VERY difficult to compute two 100 digit prime numbers from their products. RSA is a very powerful technique that has not yet been proved to be "breakable". Some more paranoid people believe that the DSA give their approval to DES, because owners of Cray supercomputers (such as themselves) have a chance to de-code DES messages. I don't know if this is true. I wish the guys selling the program (LuCypher II) had a less statispheric price expectations. I would love to play around with something like that, but at $199 its way out of my price range for curiousity pieces! -RSL- P.S. I hope my "run on" sentences haven't confused my meaning!
#56966From: Steve FaiwiszewskiJul 12, 1989 10:54 PM
If you're interested in encryption programs other than RSA, I have one called Lucifer, which was ported to the Amiga. I don't remember where I got it from (Plink, possibly), so if it's not already on CIS, and people are interested, I guess I can upload it. I also believe I have sources to a DES program (although not ported to the Amiga) which I grabbed off Usenet. – Steve –
#57111From: Roy S. LauferJul 13, 1989 8:04 PM
Steve, Sure, feel free to upload Lucifer, I'd love to play with it a while. Interesting that the RSA program is called LuCypher II, I wonder if the programmer is the same guy? I would guess not, it's just a catchy name. -RSL-