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#Good Bye

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#17920From: Steve WaghJul 24, 1990 10:37 AM
I want to let everyone know that Brown-Wagh will no longer be supporting the sales and marketing of Pen Pal. We've just completed our 3-year agreement with Softwood and will not be renewing. Obviously the Softwood/Brown-Wagh relationship was very succesful, keeping Pen Pal at the forefront of Amiga word processing for a long time. As an active Amiga publisher since its inception in 1985, we find the market potential for Amiga business/productivity software in the US to be too small for us to continue. Although the 3000 is a great machine, we cannot endure CBM's 4th *launch* of the Amiga. Softwood Company (Woody Williams) will try to do their own sales/marketing. Their product plans for future Pen Pal releases have changed radically from what Brown-Wagh had anticipated. I cannot say, nor will I vouch for, anything about future versions. Any comments that I've previously said here, or excitement shown, should be purged from your memory (ala Total Recall). In this way, the slate will be clean, and Softwood will be given the opportunity to properly prepare their marketing efforts. For more info about Softwood and Pen Pal, call them at (602) 431-9151. Over the last few years, I've spoken to many of you via this forum. You are my friends and associates. I thank you for all your help. Please stay in touch. If the Amiga market comes back (I hope so), you may find Brown-Wagh back in the hunt. Until then, you will see us concentrating on the PC market. There, we are very much involved in the multimedia market, with sound boards, CD-Rom, authoring software, video titling, etc — all the things the Amiga can do. The difference is that in the PC market, a lot of people care. If I can help any of you, please let me know. I can always be reached by CI$ or by phone (408) 378-3838. Better yet, why don't you come visit us in Los Gatos (when the earth isn't shaking)? Cheers, Steve
#17921From: RON TROYJul 24, 1990 5:36 PM
Steve, speaking for myself, and hopefully many others, I'm sorry to see BW and you personally leave the Amiga market. You've brought a great deal of enthusiasm and knowledge to this market and benefitted it greatly, and we will miss that. So, thanks again! BTW, if you do have reason to talk to Woody one more time, can you please tell him that he seems to be unreachable by phone? I've tried many times since his theasaurus letter came out and been unable to reach him. Ron
#17940From: BILL LEACHJul 25, 1990 7:04 AM
Ron; What would you like to know about ET? => 73 <=, bill => KB7LX@K4IWW <=
#17948From: RON TROYJul 25, 1990 6:51 PM
You mean Woody? Ron
#17950From: RON TROYJul 25, 1990 6:51 PM
Oh, you mean the theasaurus; the one thing Woody never said in his brochure is what you need it for; why you would want to have it. You could have the best 'gonculator' ever made, but if it doesn't do anything anyone can use .. And he didn't say, given whatever its supposed to do, what or how you use it inside of Pen Pal. Ron
#17969From: BILL LEACHJul 26, 1990 7:21 AM
Ron; If you have a use for a Theasaurus, then Woody's work well. I don't use Pen_Pal (I still use WP almost exclusively). ET is a seperate program. => 73 <=, bill => KB7LX@K4IWW <=
#17995From: RON TROYJul 26, 1990 6:44 PM
I haven't used one in years, but I have one. But how would you use it from inside a word processing program? Ron
#18085From: BILL LEACHJul 29, 1990 11:52 PM
Ron; You don't. I can't even get snap to cut from ET, but at least the program works well. I am impressed with how fast it operates (at least on an 030 w/hd). => 73 <=, bill => KB7LX@K4IWW <=
#18115From: RON TROYJul 31, 1990 6:44 PM
I still haven't figured out what you use an et for within a wp program. Ron
#18187From: BILL LEACHAug 3, 1990 5:50 AM
Ron; You don't….. exactly. It is an electronic thesaurus. When writing, you can look up words to find substitutes. ET is very much faster than WP's built in thesaurus. 73, bill
#18441From: RON TROYAug 24, 1990 11:54 AM
Hi Bill; just got your message. I suppose I could use ET, but they tell me that you cannot use it with Pen Pal. Ron
#17942From: Steve WaghJul 25, 1990 10:16 AM
Ron: Thanks for the kind words. Now that Woody is on his own, he will have to face up to the responsibilities he will incur, such as telephone support, customer relations, shows, billing, invoicing, ………. I think he's hired someone to help him. I wish him the best. Steve P.S. I'll stick around for awhile on CI$ because we still support BGraphics, EasyLedgers and Service Industry Accounting.
#17949From: RON TROYJul 25, 1990 6:51 PM
Well, you deserve those kind words; you certainly earned them. Ron
#17939From: BILL LEACHJul 25, 1990 7:04 AM
Steve; Sad news indeed! I'll miss you sir. Your assistance has been much appreciated. Your patching up the (now ancient) difficulties with Softwood a couple of years ago, has turned me into a supporter. I still don't use Pen_Pal but did order and receive the Electric_Thesaurus. It is a fine program and should be a success. It is strictly thanks to you that I even considered purchasing such a program from Softwood. Again, Thanks Steve, and all the best to you. Hope to see you back soon! => 73 <=, bill => KB7LX@K4IWW <=
#17943From: Steve WaghJul 25, 1990 10:26 AM
Bill: Thanks for your support. I remember your first message to me, vehemently complaining about your experience with SoftWood Write & File. Whew — what a start to a relationship! Now that I've gotten to know you, I feel you are one of the most knowledgeable and respected members in this forum. It's been my pleasure, Bill. Steve P.S. – It amazes me when I think back at the people who said BW could never sell productivity software for the Amiga … then we proceeded to sell Analyze!, Scribble!, Online!, BBS-PC!, Flipside!, The Works!, Excellence!, TV*Text, TV*Show, Midi Magic, Express Paint, Spritz, PAR Real, File IIsg, Write & File, Pen Pal, Project Master, BGraphics, Easyledgers, and Service Industry Accounting. So much for those *experts*, eh? Cheers
#17946From: Betty Clay/SYSOPJul 25, 1990 1:05 PM
Steve, what will happen to the products like EasyLedgers and Service Accounting? Will you no longer sell those, either? ……Betty
#17996From: Steve WaghJul 26, 1990 6:57 PM
Betty: Wow, I haven't heard from you in ages! We are still selling EasyLedgers and Service Industry Accounting. We sell and support those products across platforms – Amiga, IBM and Macintosh. We have been doing great with them, but we are now planning a major attack on the market — Instead of $295 and $395 suggested retail price for EasyLedgers and SIA — the new price is $99.95, with a 30-day Money Back Guarantee !!! EasyLedgers is for general accounting and Service Industry Accounting ties in the Job Costing and Estimating features. It's one helluva deal, don't you think? We will be selling direct to end-users and dealers; no distributors. There just isn't enough margin at this price to do 2-tier distribution. The ads will hit later this year. In the meantime, we'll just spread the word. Nice to speak with you again Betty. Steve
#18035From: Betty Clay/SYSOPJul 27, 1990 5:11 PM
Steve, I may need a copy of EasyLedgers soon, and I hoped you would still be selling it. It's about time my son computerized his bookkeeping. (Or found SOME way to get it done!) I believe EasyL. will do all he needs, or at least all I can get him to do. I'm especially sorry to see you leaving, Steve. I've been over here every day – just lurking. You give excellent support, and I do hope you will stay around for as long as you can. Still love Pen Pal. ……Betty
#18094From: Steve WaghJul 30, 1990 4:52 PM
Betty, I'll stay tuned in here as long as your group doesn't kick me off. When it comes to marketing, you know I'll give me 2 cents worth regardless of the product. I'll save an EasyLedgers for you. Steve
#18100From: Betty Clay/SYSOPJul 30, 1990 8:51 PM
It's good that you'll be around for a while, Steve. We will certainly miss you when you leave. ……Betty
#18142From: Tim AveryJul 31, 1990 11:29 PM
Betty- EasyLedgers is primarily a business accounting program, not one for personal fianances. It has many good features, but even the current version (B2) will crash under heavy use. No one has been able to figure out why. The PC version is receiving all the development dollars. Tim
#18161From: Betty Clay/SYSOPAug 1, 1990 7:07 PM
Tim, my son runs a small business that really needs to be computerized. ……Betty
#18163From: Tim AveryAug 1, 1990 8:41 PM
Betty- Easyledgers is OK for light use. The program will crash under pressure when you undertake extensive data entry like big batches of invoices, etc. EasyLedgers has a big brother called Service Industry Accounting – Elite. It runs on a PC or clone, and can be networked. Tim
#17951From: RON TROYJul 25, 1990 6:52 PM
Ya know, you're a pretty good salesman after all! 🙂 Ron
#17963From: Bill EastburnJul 25, 1990 9:27 PM
Steve, That is quite a product line-up for a platform less than 5 years old! I, for one, sincerely wish that your company would reconsider its decision to leave the Amiga line. You have been quite helpful and responsive since you came to us, and we will surely miss you. Best of luck with the hoi poloi! Bill, K3OZM
#17997From: Steve WaghJul 26, 1990 6:59 PM
Thanks Bill, for the nice words. We feel very attached to the Amiga market, so we'll keep a close eye on it. Steve
#18034From: Ethan SolomitaJul 27, 1990 4:36 PM
What will be the future for BGraphics? Will you be upgrading it or are you planning on selling the rights to someone? I was interested in the program but my interest will DEFINITELY be tempered if no one is going to upgrade it! 8^> — Ethan P.S. Please reply by easyplex cause I don't read amigav much, trying to keep the bills down!
#18061From: Christopher TolmieJul 28, 1990 10:04 PM
Steve, I've missed the beginning of this thread, but from what I've garnered here is that BW is dropping the Amiga platform, but will support EasyLedgers and SIA. Is this right? Your outa here?! 'Tis a shame, I always enjoyed reading your suggestions, comments and product announcements. We've been considering SIA for use with our service bureau, but if there won't be any upgrades I'd be buying another acccounting program that is only going to get support no upgrades. (I'm referring to RAGS to RICHES by CHANG LABS). Of course $99.00 is a lot less risk than $495.00 so maybe I'll still bite. But when looking over the demo disk I received it left me a bit apprehensive. I'm not sure if I followed the program closely enough to understand how to properly use it without first seeing the manual. I sure hope I was wrong about BW dumping the Amiga line, am I? chris AT&G
#18095From: Steve WaghJul 30, 1990 5:04 PM
Chris: Brown-Wagh hasn't totally dropped the Amiga line — we still are working with BGraphics and the accounting programs; EasyLedgers and Service Industry Accounting. We have just dropped Pen Pal. We will continue with BGraphics if we see the Amiga market improving. We will stay with the accounting programs because we market them on 3 platforms; Amiga, Mac and IBM. Steve
#18148From: Christopher TolmieJul 31, 1990 11:54 PM
Steve, Well if Service Industry Accounting will be upgraded as the needs arise, I'd like to order the program, you did say $99 for it, eh? I'm using Rags to Riches right now and I think SIA might be more capable in dealing with our Service Bureau accounting. So E-mail me the order info or just put it here and I'll call in with it. chris AT&G
#18158From: Steve WaghAug 1, 1990 5:58 PM
Chris: Call my office and order from Will or Lloyd. Price is $99.95. Shipping/handling is $10 (I think). 30-day Guarantee Visa, M/C or Amex accepted. Checks are fine, but we wait until cleared. (800) 451-0900 or (408) 378-3838 in CA. P.S. – tell them you spoke to me and maybe they'll give me a pat on the back. Steve
#18064From: Roy PahnkeJul 29, 1990 3:38 AM
Steve – Does this mean that you are also pulling away from the SIA/EasyLedgers support on Amiga systems. I know that those products are doing well for you on the PC format, but I have customers using it on the Amiga. And we were hoping for a Payroll mod. for this platform sometime in the near future. What are your future plans for SIA on the Amiga? – Roy Pahnke – Crazy Mountain Software Casper, Wyomin' – 1-800-76 AMIGA
#18096From: Steve WaghJul 30, 1990 5:07 PM
Roy, We will stick with SIA/Easyledgers. We've just begun shipping Payroll on the IBM platform. We plan to follow it up with the other platforms later this year. Steve
#18146From: Tim AveryJul 31, 1990 11:38 PM
Roy- How do your customers rate EasyLedgers? It crashes on me (or I should say our data entry person) every time we enter lots of invoice in one sitting. Other Amigas running the program in our sales office processing maybe one invoice every 10 minutes or so do fine. Tim