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#XETEC CDTV compat!

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#26815From: Eric RobbinsJun 30, 1991 9:29 PM
You should have no problem reading IBM discs with the XETEC, as they are both ISO9660 standard. With IBeM, you should (assuming you can get the drivers up for the CDROM) be able to use software such as the Microsoft Bookshelf, which is ALL text. The neato graphics stuff will have to wait to come out on Amiga format, but you should have no prob running text stuff. ERIC exiut oops! 🙂
#26837From: John GagerJul 1, 1991 4:47 AM
Don't have any problems reading the IBM CD's on the Xetec Eric. I can access all of the data and text files just fine from the Amiga side. The problem is that you can't use the search engines because they are IBM executables. So I've got the Chinon IBM controller for the Bridgeboard, the Microsoft and Chinon drivers, and plan to try and install it all next week. I also plan on getting the Amax II plus when that becomes available and try to set up the Xetec as a Mac CD Rom. So many projects, so little time 8^) John (in beautiful downtown Walla Walla) – via Whap!
#26894From: Eric RobbinsJul 1, 1991 6:21 PM
Well, actually… Microsoft Booksehelf, for example, is all text and uses a very small TSR program to "get" the text from the disk to the screen, as well as control search routines, etc. It is one that should work fine under any software IBM emulator. ERIC
#26907From: Daryl AndersonJul 1, 1991 8:01 PM
John, Where did you get the Chinon Drivers ? Do I read it that you've also got their hardware ? Can you review what (theoretically) I might need to usably access a PC CDROM in a Xetec hung on the side of my machine ? E.g. CrossDos mounts it as a PC drive/partition, IBem runs a PC-version search engine talking to… ? – da – via Whap!
#26952From: John GagerJul 2, 1991 3:14 AM
I received the Chinon Drivers with the Chinon IBM controller that I got from Xetec. The Chinon controller will go in the IBM side with the Bridgeboard hopefully sometime this week if everything goes OK. I'm awaiting a cable from Xetec to finish up the project. You're probably right about IBeM not working with the IBM search engines if they require graphics. I haven't really used IBeM that much to find out what it can or can't do. Ok, let me explain a little about the Xetec drive. It comes with it's own filesystem called "cdxfilesystem" so it can properly read ISO-9660 or "High Sierra" format CD Roms. The install software creates a "mountlist" entry for the CD Rom drive, specifying that filesystem and unit number for the drive. After thinking about it for awhile, I didn't actually use CrossDos for the CD Rom, just for my floppys. As you know, you have to create mountlist entry's for all your floppy drives and any hard disk partition that you wish to use with IBeM. So just for the heck of it I created a mountlist entry: IBMC: filesystem="cdxfilesystem" unit = 5 etc. etc. The CD Rom drive is Unit #5 on the SCSI chain, and I used the same Head, Track, and Sector numbers as the mountlist entry for the Amiga side. Possibly the Chinon driver will not be needed because you can use Amiga drives with IBeM, and I think all it does is basically the same thing as the Xetec driver, read ISO-9660 format CD's. Now PC CD systems also use some special software from Microsoft called "MSCDEX" aka Microsoft Extensions. I'm not sure what this software does, but I guess I will find out soon enough when I get the CD hooked up to the Bridgeboard. Anyway, after I got the mountlist created and booted up MSDOS off of the floppy, it was after it booted up, or I tried to do a dir on drive C: that I got the error message that I have the shareware version, etc and would not let me access the BIG hard drive. Not surprising since the CD Rom is 500megs and the shareware version [ MORE ]
#26953From: John GagerJul 2, 1991 3:14 AM
[ continuation ] only allows a 2meg partition 8^). So my theory is, if IBeM recognizes the drive, the Xetec driver handles the CD Rom reads, and if the MSCDEX software can be installed, then why not? Like I said, its just something to toy with, and since the author hasn't created CGA or EGA graphics emulation for it yet, it probably won't be of much use, but you never know 8^) John (in beautiful downtown Walla Walla) – via Whap!
#27506From: Jonathan HirschmanJul 6, 1991 12:02 PM
John– I believe that IBeM does do CGA – at least thats what Checkit 3.0 reported about my virtual PC… Jonathan – via Whap!
#27012From: Steve SetzerJul 2, 1991 4:23 PM
Don't have the xetec (am considering one though) but wouldn't it work with the BB as a virtual drive hooked up on the amy side and be able to use the search features? Then you wouldn't need the IBM controller. I know it would be slower but wouldn't it work? Curious, Steve Whap!ping from beautiful coastal South Carolina
#27221From: Eric RobbinsJul 4, 1991 12:21 AM
Yes, I imagine it would. I'm not sure that you would lose that much in data transfer speed, though. not with a 2286 BB. It would be worthwhile to get a couple of local people involved on the forum here together to test compatibility of equipment and drop notes on the forum. I recently went a few miles away to get the ICD AdIDE working in my 2000 in conjunction with an ATonce emulator, even they are both 68000 socket components. The trick is that the ATonce uses a card into a bus slot, and doesn't interfere with the normal workings of the AMI 68000 side. There's more to it, but too much to list here. Where are you located? ERIC
#27410From: Steve SetzerJul 5, 1991 1:37 PM
Eric, Yes some input on this would be useful. I have a XT BB and all my pc slots are used up (but one, saving it for VGA card) so I have no room for another controller. I have been thinking of the XETEC, but it would be of limited use if I couldn't use it with the BB I am in Moncks Corner, SC about 20 miles from Charlseton (You know the place Hugo destroyed 2 years ago). Steve Whap!ping from beautiful coastal South Carolina
#27448From: Eric RobbinsJul 5, 1991 10:27 PM
Oh well… Charleston, SC is a bit far to travel from Bridgewater, NJ. I do, however, have family (me brother) in Athens, GA, and friends from college in Asheville, NC, so I get south quite often. If you want to go VGA cheap, I have a CIRRUS LOGIC VGA board from my IBM days with an Award Software BIOS dated 1989 for sale. Does all VGA modes but Mode 8 (1024 x 1024?). It's the one that my monitor won't do anyway, only the expensive ones do. (NEC MS3D, par example)… First $150 takes it. Or the same maker EGA board for $50. Good hardware. The VGA has 256k video RAM onboard. I had planned on using it in my Amiga, but I ended up getting a deal on an ATonce with the A2000 adaptor board. I may dump it off to another 2000 user or even a 500 user and get an A2286, but I dunno. The XETEC can run off your existing SCSI controller (I'm assuming you have one for your HD), and since the BB can access the HD, I don't see why you can't load in some non-DMA drivers for a CD-ROM and have it access it. Again, it will take some testing before purchasing to be sure. I'd jump at getting a XETEC, but I'm going to wait until I get a new HD. I got a Quantum ProDrive LPS 52AT for free, so I got an ICD AdIDE interface for it for about a hundred bucks from MANTA in Eatontown, NJ. When I get a SCSI and a SCSI HD, I'll get the XETEC. ERIC
#27536From: Steve SetzerJul 6, 1991 5:41 PM
Eric, Thanx, for the offer on the VGA but have other priorities at the moment. I think my next hardware purchase will be Ben's Clickfax or some type of FAX/VOICEMAIL pc card. Don't use the BB to much anymore as more Amy S/W matures!. How do you like the ATOnce? Can you use the pc slots for it? I have an old C= 2090A controller w/ Quantem Pro40 and a miniscribe ST506 20 megger so I have both SCSI and ST 506 capabilities. The 2090 has it's problems but untill I can afford the GVP 3001 (w/SCSI) board it will do. I was curious if anyone has hooked up the XETEC to an Amiga SCSI and accessed it from the bridgeboard as a virtual drive. I think this would be possible but don't know if any one has tried it. This would allow unlimited use of all the CD-ROMs available for the MSDOS plus CDTV (what the xetec will run)!!! Steve Whap!ping from beautiful coastal South Carolina
#27538From: Eric RobbinsJul 6, 1991 5:59 PM
As far as the ATonce goes, no you cannot access the PC slots. You really don't need to, because VGA is emulated by software, and unless you had a specific IBM only card (i.e. voice-mail) you wanted to use, there's really no reason, because all of the I/O for the IBM is emulated, also. Mouse becomes Microsoft mouse, Parallel port becomes LPT1:, Serial is COM?: (you select), etc, etc. EVERY aspect of the emulation is configurable in software on the Amiga side. It's fantastic! All is not well, though. The guys from MANTA in Eatontown, NJ, tell me that they have had MANY customers with problems running the ATonce on the 2000. Gurus, Crashes, incompatibility with hardware, etc. Maybe I've been lucky, but I have had NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER. You cannot follow the instructions that come with it, however. You need to hand map out your memory usage to configure it properly, or it will crash. There is NO SUPPORT for the 2000. All instructions are for the 500. Any other questions, just lemme know. ERIC
#27666From: John GagerJul 7, 1991 5:24 PM
Steve, just to let you know I've got the Xetec CD Rom drive and plan on using it with the Bridgeboard in the next couple of weeks. I've got the Chinon controller for the PC side, the Chinon drivers and Microsoft Extension software. The only thing I'm waiting on is a cable from Xetec, and will probably order a 3 1/2 drive for the Bridgeboard next week. Once I get everything hooked up, I'll let you know how well everything works. Just to let you know, if you have a 3000 or accelerated 2000 or 500, not all of the CDTV titles will work with a CD Rom drive. World Vista from Applied Optical is one that doesn't work. The reason is that the programmers compiled the code for the 68000 only, and so WV crashes. They didn't take into account that World Vista might be used on platforms other than CDTV. Xetec has done a pretty good job of keeping their software compatable with CDTV and they post the latest software on their BBS. I usually find an upgrade almost every week. John (in beautiful downtown Walla Walla) – via Whap!
#27711From: Steve SetzerJul 7, 1991 9:58 PM
John, My question was do you have to use a dedicated pc controller, or can you use an amiga scsi controller thru the bridgeboard as say drive d or e? I hate to sound ignorant (I really am!) about this but I have a multifunction card and a 2 meg ram card for the BB, when I add a vga card, I won't have any pc slots left for a controller to drive the cdrom. If I have an accelerator for my 2000 I could still drop down to 68000 mode to run the few funny CDTV titles couldn't I? Let me know how things work out! Steve Whap!ping from beautiful coastal South Carolina
#27750From: Don Curtis/SYSOPJul 8, 1991 1:23 AM
Steve, You cannot access an Amiga side drive as a "direct" MS-DOS drive. That is, what you are accessing on the Amiga side is an Amiga FILE that is laid out as if it were an MS-DOS filesystem. Thus, to access and Amiga side CD-ROM drive, you'd first have to have an Amiga FILE on that drive and that file would have to look like an MS-DOS filesystem. Don
#27978From: Steve SetzerJul 9, 1991 7:16 PM
Thanx Don, I guess your right, I didn't think of it like that but as usual you are correct!! It's a shame, I gueess now I will have to contemplate ATonce before any CDROM. :-/ Steve Whap!ping from beautiful coastal South Carolina
#27769From: John GagerJul 8, 1991 5:05 AM
Steve, I don't think you can use a CDROM drive thru the bridgeboard like a Hard drive. For one thing, you probably have to install the Chinon driver so the computer will recognize the ISO-9660 format. And the Chinon driver probably goes through the Chinon controller. Like I said, the emulator IBeM may be able to access the Xetec drive as a standard drive because you are using the Xetec driver, but it will take some experimenting to verify this. Hopefully, I will have an answer for you soon. John (in beautiful downtown Walla Walla) – via Whap!
#27770From: John GagerJul 8, 1991 5:05 AM
Opps, need to scroll down the message before I reply 8^) Yes, if you get a GVP Accelerator for your 2000, then you should be able to toggle down to 68000 mode to run the CDTV disks. I don't think you would need to do so for most of them, just a few that don't follow the rules. Just for your information, Applied Optical will release a version that will work on all 680×0's, but just not sure when. John (in beautiful downtown Walla Walla) – via Whap!