CompuServe Thread

#Intuition bug

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#11873From: Jim SakladJul 6, 1991 10:55 PM
Steve – A few weeks ago we had the following interchange: > I will often have something else running in the background on its own > custom interlaced screen, such as DiskMaster or TurboText. If I'm in > mode 2 or 3 above [interlaced workbench], and switch screens, > eventually (not always the first time I switch screens) the DiskMaster > (or TurboText) screen de-interlaces (large print, no flicker, and only > the top half actually visible on the monitor), then the next time I > try to swap screens I get a total system lockup requiring re-boot. > #: 24831 S15/Whap! > 09-Jun-91 01:12:02 > Sb: #24820-View! window size > Fm: Steve Ahlstrom 76703,2006 > To: Jim Saklad > > Jim, Your "lockup" is a well known bug in all versions of AmigaDos > until 2.0. I thought I could just live with this until 2.0 got out, but now it's really getting on my nerves. Sometimes I can recover, but other times I cannot even warm-boot out, but have to cold-boot. Is there any known work-around or patch? Or would I just have to avoid the interlaced workbench? . . . . . JimDoc
#11874From: Steve AhlstromJul 6, 1991 11:04 PM
Jim, Sure, Lib 11 … FIXSCR.Z00/binary 28-May-89 2944 103 Title : Patch to fix Intuition screen bug. Keywords: INTUITI0N MULTI-SCREEN PR0BLEM FIX W0RK-AR0UND This is a "hack" fix for the Intuition screen problem that seems to pop up when you have 2 interlace screens and a non-interlace screen, and attempt to 'cycle' through them. 0btained from another network. My initial test did seem to work (i.e., the system didn't crash in an attempt to reproduce the problem). No guarentees, though. I used this for a couple of years and it works fine.
#11879From: Black Belt SystemsJul 7, 1991 12:12 AM
This is unreliable. Ben Amateur Radio Callsign is A A 7 A S
#11880From: Steve AhlstromJul 7, 1991 12:24 AM
Ben, Do you have anything better (short of waiting for 2.0) ?
#11892From: Black Belt SystemsJul 7, 1991 12:13 PM
Yes – the 1.3.3 upgrade fixes the problem completely, according to CATS. It's also a *lot* better version of 1.3 than any of the earlier releases. Ben Amateur Radio Callsign is A A 7 A S
#11896From: Steve AhlstromJul 7, 1991 1:15 PM
Ben, The problem with 1.3.3, tho, is that it is not generally available.
#11900From: Michael GerardJul 7, 1991 3:12 PM
Steve– 1.3.3 comes on disk with the A3000's. Would CBM be perterbed if an A3000 owner made those disks available to an A2000/1.3.2 owner? – Whapping from the North Coast Michael
#11904From: Steve AhlstromJul 7, 1991 3:50 PM
Michael, 1.3.3 didn't come with my 3000, 1.3.2 did. And yes, CBM would take a dim view of that. The best thing is to try to get the upgrade from your dealer.
#11921From: Michael GerardJul 8, 1991 10:42 AM
Steve– My A3000 (got it last week) came with 1.3.3 disks (WB rev 34.34), so I just assumed eveyones did. – Whapping from the North Coast Michael
#11931From: Al BenglenJul 8, 1991 8:11 PM
Steve, You mean WorkBench 1.3.3 for non-3000 owners is available from dealers? Haven't seen it mentioned before this thread started…did I miss something along the way? via Whap! Al Benglen 74615,500
#11936From: Software EtcJul 8, 1991 11:15 PM
All our A500c have had it for the last month or so. I haven't heard any word on upgrading though. I wish I knew, our store demo Amiga uses the 1.3.3 WB if I knew it would be ok, I'd just let people bring in their old disks and copy the new ones over, but since I don't know how ol' C= would feel about that, I've had to turn people away. Craig Glaser (Software Etc Milwaukee) – via Whap!
#11944From: Michael GerardJul 9, 1991 8:18 AM
That why I left the message for Steve regarding 1.3.3… I was hoping the dealers would jump in anf get CBM's attention. – Whapping from the North Coast Michael
#11948From: Roy PahnkeJul 9, 1991 12:42 PM
Craig – Believe me, it's ok to copy the new version to your customers. In fact that appears to be the only way C= is authorizing users to get the new wb. They are not packaging as a sellable upgrade, and they have not seen fit to Upload it to the 4 (eerr, 3) national Boards like they did with 1.3.2, and over in CBMservice they have suggested that users go to the dealer and ask for a copy. I would suggest you have your customers bring in two disks and then you can copy both the WB disk and the Extras disk on to those disks. You know, what's the problem here. This software can only be used with the Amiga computer so therefore only Amiga owners are going to want it and ALL Amiga owner, by rights, (IMHO) should be given the latest copy of the OS. So, go ahead give it to everyone that comes in and asks for it. – Roy Pahnke – Casper, Wyomin' – Crazy Mountain Software –
#12002From: Mark D. ManesJul 11, 1991 9:42 PM
Well I spoke to Carolyn Scheppner about this about three months ago. She said that it is ok to upgrade 1.3 master disks at the dealership. We (Video Computer Resources) have been upgrading users master workbench disks for a while now. -mark=
#11938From: Steve AhlstromJul 9, 1991 12:18 AM
Al, I don't know if 1.3.3 is available from your dealer — I would think it is, but I haven't looked for it. However, your dealer would be the best place to start the search. Also, if you're a developer you can get it directly from CATS.
#12005From: Wayne ColeJul 12, 1991 2:02 AM
Most dealers in So Cal when asked about it say, "oh, you mean 2.0 – its not avaliable for the 2000 yet." Another peice in the Amiga marketting massacre puzzle… ;^} wmc
#12016From: Al BenglenJul 12, 1991 9:10 PM
With Commodore's marketing sure makes you wonder how the Amiga got to where it is doesn't it? via Whap! Al Benglen 74615,500
#11912From: Black Belt SystemsJul 8, 1991 12:29 AM
Can't argue with that. CBM's usual extreme care and concern for Amiga users. Ben Amateur Radio Callsign is A A 7 A S
#12340From: Russ WittJul 21, 1991 7:24 PM
Ben, What is the proper procedure for upgrading between versions on hard disk based machines, ie how do you know which files to replace ? Russ – via Whap!
#12347From: Black Belt SystemsJul 21, 1991 11:14 PM
I have not a clue. Sorry. Ask your dealer. Ben Amateur Radio Callsign is A A 7 A S
#12391From: John GagerJul 23, 1991 12:30 AM
Russ, one way to upgrade between different versions is to go through and check to see what programs have changed in filesize, usually that's a good clue that the program has been upgraded. I think there is even a utility that will check the files automatically, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. But I do believe it was written by Jim Butterfield. John (in beautiful downtown Walla Walla) – via Whap!
#12404From: Betty Clay/SYSOPJul 23, 1991 2:48 PM
John, I think you are thinking of SysCheck. Should be in AmigaTech, Library 11, and probably called SYSCHK. Betty
#12535From: Roy PahnkeJul 26, 1991 10:42 PM
Russ – Use a Disk Utility program and just replace those file that have changed – Look at the date and file size. With the upgrade 1.3.3 there are really only four or five file that have changed. (Only 3 in the 'c' directory) I just replace those that had a different date then all the others. Most files on C='s WB disk are dated sometime in 1988 or 1989 while the new files in this release are all dated in Oct. of 1990. Its really not to hard to spot the new files that make up the 1.3.3 release. – Roy Pahnke – Casper, Wyomin' – Crazy Mountain Software –
#12857From: Russ WittAug 2, 1991 7:54 AM
Roy Thanks for the tip on 1.3.3 upgrade. Russ – via Whap!
#12906From: Rodger PadgettAug 3, 1991 11:07 AM
Russ, I missed the beginning of this thread somehow. What were your tips on 1.3.3 upgrade. I'm currently using 1.3.2 Rodger – via Whap!
#12964From: Roy PahnkeAug 5, 1991 9:48 PM
Rodger – I have been out of this thread for some time now myself and have forgotten what my tip was ;( Probably mentioned that WB1.3.3 does fix the intuition bug and that the upgrade really only represents 3 new files in the "c:" directory and only a couple of others in the other directories of WB. – Roy Pahnke – Casper, Wyomin' – Crazy Mountain Software –
#12339From: Russ WittJul 21, 1991 7:24 PM
Ben, Amiga Dos Version from workbech or CLI on my machine returns >Kickstart version 34.5. Workbench version 34.28 I know I have Vers 1.3 and the Multi Screen Problem how do I tell what release of 1.3 I have if Version wont report it ? Where do I get 1.3.3 ? Russ – via Whap!
#12346From: Black Belt SystemsJul 21, 1991 11:14 PM
From your dealer, Russ – it's shipped with all new units at this time. Ben Amateur Radio Callsign is A A 7 A S
#11906From: Jim SakladJul 7, 1991 4:10 PM
Steve – > Jim, > > Sure, Lib 11 … > > FIXSCR.Z00/binary 28-May-89 2944 103 > > Title : Patch to fix Intuition screen bug. > Keywords: INTUITI0N MULTI-SCREEN PR0BLEM FIX W0RK-AR0UND Sorry, AMGFF cannot find it by name or by keyword. Must have been purged. If you find it somewhere can you E-Mail it? . . . . . JimDoc
#11907From: Steve AhlstromJul 7, 1991 4:34 PM
Jim, I don't know what you did, but it is there. I cut the description from Lib 11 when I left the message.
#11932From: Jim SakladJul 8, 1991 10:29 PM
Steve – Re: FIXSCR.LZH > I don't know what you did, but it is there. I don't know either; I've found it and so far it's working. Thanks again! . . . . . JimDoc
#12341From: Russ WittJul 21, 1991 7:24 PM
or repost it ? – via Whap!
#11878From: Black Belt SystemsJul 7, 1991 12:12 AM
there is an OS upgrade, 1.3.3, that (reportadly) has this bug fixed. Find it, and install it. That's best. There is a PD fix, but it does not work reliably… sometimes, you still lock up. Me, I stopped using the interlaced WB, gritting my teeth at the neccesity, but I no longer have the problems. Of course, preferences still crashes my machine, but can't do anything about that one. Yet. Still waiting for 2.x to be released. :^( Ben Amateur Radio Callsign is A A 7 A S
#11885From: Mike ToddJul 7, 1991 4:36 AM
Jim There is a patch within v1.3.3 which solves this problem and, if you haven't got 1.3.3, there is FIXSCR (lib 11?) which you might like to try. However, I'm not entirely sure it is 100% reliable. Mike (Whapping from the UK)
#11902From: Steve AhlstromJul 7, 1991 3:29 PM
Mike, Ben says FIXSCR is unreliable and it well may be. However, I used it in my startup-sequence for over 2 years (on a 2000 with flickerfixer) and never had the lockup again. -sja
#11934From: Roy PahnkeJul 8, 1991 11:15 PM
Ben – I just got the New WorkBench today, did you know there is also a new Preferences on that disk. Actually after examining the disk with my installed WB (1.3.2) there are really very few files that are new (I compared file size and dates). Most of the new ones are file dated 10/03/90 with a few in at 10/05/90. I think the were less the a dozen new files on that disk. Three in the 'C' directory; Echo, LoadWB, and (of course) SetPatch. In 'devs' we have a new printer.device and parallel.device. And in the 'libs' a new translator.library, and (again, of course) version.library. Then over in the 'Prefs' the only thing with a new date there is "Preferences". So me question to you Sir is this, Have you tryed the new Preferences and if so why does Prefs still crash your machine.? – Roy Pahnke – Casper, Wyomin' – Crazy Mountain Software –