#Workbench 2.0
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RE: "I bet if we had a HONEST show of hand's of people who have recieved
Beta versions of CBM software in the past, and who were not developers,
then I would certainly not be alone."
Sounds like Commodore has a bunch of not-very-trustworthy developers.
FWIW, —GeM
On the whole, I believe that the vast majority of developers are very
trustworthy. ZKICK wasn't available around here until just very recently,
and then 2.0 is easy to get because of all the 3000's. I'm sure some
developer doesn't post ZKICK and 2.0 on some BBS. It's probably obtained in
such a way "Please, please, give me a copy, I promise not to give it to
anyone else.", yeah right 8^) Once it's given to a non-developer, it gets
to others also.
John (in beautiful downtown Walla Walla) – via Whap!
RE: "I believe that the vast majority of developers are very trustworthy"
I've heard that, and I've also heard that developers expect *others* to
be honest with software while thinking *they* are exempt. Don't know what
to believe, but I'd guess the answer lies somewhere in between.
Regards, —GeM
Well Jim it only takes one copy of the beta software to hit a pirate bbs
and it is spread over the entire country within days. So I bet that the
vast majority of the developers are honest.
Nick
RE: "it only takes one copy of the beta software to hit a pirate bbs and it
is spread over the entire country within days"
While I've heard talk of pirate BBS's, I've come to think of them more
as legend. I've never actually run into one, or at least not that I knew.
Have you actually come upon a BBS devoted to pirating?
I've seen pirate boards for any home machine you can think of.
The vast majority of them appear to be normal BBS's with perfectly
legitimate files; however, the person running the board can set
user's options. For those swapping software…they get the option
enabled that allows them access to the stolen software.
The normal way to get access is either by reccomendation of
someone who already has access…or by uploading stolen software. You
generally keep access by continuing to provide stolen software.
I "cracked" a few pirate boards several years ago by working
with a publisher and uploading "special" versions of their
software…and gaining access to the pirate sections. Those
particular boards were quickly put out of business.
So Don, what did the special versions of the software do? 🙂
They quit working after a period of time.
Lets just say that I know folks who call them all the time. Believe
me there are quite a few bbs's out there devoted to piracy. Many with
multiple lines with high speed (14.4K bps) modems. Some have hundreds
of megs of storage. Since many of the boards have overseas contacts
much of the European software gets to those boards many months before
they come the US on there own. Many of the boards advertise other
board numbers on their systems and from all the different ones I have
been shown there are many out there. I that is just for Amiga, there
is even a larger amount for IBM software. Once a piece of software is
cracked and is released, it is spread over the entire country in a
matter of days, especially at the speed of Courier HST modems which
seems to be the bbs standard currently. Those modems transfer about
100K per minute so you can imagine how quickly stuff can spread, not
to mention the fact that users on those systems fight for upload
credits so they can download more. So that means files are spread
very fast.
There's one in my neighborhood, but it appears to be a normal BBS – unless
you are able to make friends with the SYSOP and convince him that "you are
one of them"…I was able to, by uploading stuff that WAS NOT pirated (or
even software, for that matter – but another kind of "dishonesty"). I was
amazed at what was being offered at first, but it kind of toned down after
a while. Yet, you can indeed get the newest version of Macropaint, or the
latest release of ADPro, or several other (non-copy protected) heavy
hitters, as well as several cracked games. They definitely exist!!!
about a year ago, I wandered off into the pirate network and mapped out
several boards solely dedicated to trading 'warez' (spelling varies). They
are out there and frequently have some of the best hardware that I've ever
encountered (let alone software). They also seem to have talent, since,
frequently, the version of a particular game (seems to be their favorite
target) is the same as the public version but with copy protection
disabled.
Why they continue that illicit practice, I can't make heads or tails of,
since they could easily write a program and sell it. It makes no sense.
BTW, those boards are no longer in existence.