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#CBM Firings

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#86624From: Charles HillJan 27, 1993 1:01 PM
Can anyone confirm the following: I have it on good authority that Commodore "cleaned house" on friday. A number of people were let go. I don't know who or why but was told by a dealer friend who called CBM friday that when he asked for so-and-so he was told that they weren't in and wouldn't be in…ever. He got this response with a couple of names he asked for. He was told that not only did the axe fall, it wasn't an axe but a buzz saw. -Chas
#86629From: Black Belt SystemsJan 27, 1993 2:36 PM
Sounds like they finished something (he said cynically). Isn't this what they did when Unix was "done", etc? Anyway, I have no info on this other than getting, for the first time ever, no answer on the developer support line today; that may be due to the DEVCON that's going on, rather than firings, although I do think it's grossly irresponsible to have NO service because of DEVCON. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#86639From: Charles HillJan 27, 1993 5:13 PM
True, they should have SOMETHING (or someone) answering the phone for tech support. (Are you at DevCon? Or did you actually prefer to stay in Montana in the middle of winter as opposed to sunny Orlando? 🙂 I'm afraid a quarterly report came in and wasn't up to snuff so instead of doing what they should (take the buzz saw to the CEO's, Board's & executive's salaries & perks) they took it out on personnel. I hope I'm wrong. Akkk….I shouldn't be starting vicious rumors. Maybe I can get a confirmaton from someone (heck, I'm in Orlando, maybe I can ask someone who'll actually answer. -Chas
#86654From: Black Belt SystemsJan 27, 1993 7:27 PM
I am not at Devcon – I've never gone to one, nor heard anything after one that made me think "gee, I should have been there". Also, I used to live in Florida and a most certainly do prefer Montana in the winter to Florida in any season. I've lived a fair number of places, and Florida beats them all for feelings of "never wanna go back". Montana, OTOH, is where I'd like to stay, based on all the other places I've lived, and visited.. :^) Let us know what you find out about this rumor – I'm interested, quite interested in fact. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#86676From: Charles HillJan 27, 1993 9:52 PM
Hmph, I do remember seeing not too long ago something about -60 degrees (not including wind chill!) in some parts of Montana… 🙂 Still, I've always wanted to go there. I'll keep you informed on the rumor. I seriously doubt anyone (who knows) at DevCon will tell me, but there are some who could get info… While I have your attention….BBS updates their software so often (specifically IM) it is real hard to tell what the latest rev is if you don't yet own it (and occasionally difficult if you do). Any chance of posting a short text file in your area in AmigaVendor with the names and corresponding revisions of your products? I've just picked up a copy of IM from my local dealer but it's been on his shelf for about two months, so I doubt it is "the latest & greatest". Thanks, -Chas
#86687From: Black Belt SystemsJan 27, 1993 10:56 PM
Chas, Cold isn't bad – it's just cold. I much prefer -60,0 humidity to +90,95 humidity… Montana, indeed this entire portion of the northwest, has terrain which varies from desert to lush mountainside forest; lakes and rivers you might know (the Missouri, Yellowstone… etc) and is a truly wonderful place to live. Since I value these things highly, and beaches only a little, Florida's just not for me. About IM, you can get one free upgrade to the latest stuff just by registering your copy and saying you want it. Moderately new policy, that is, but being well received. The latest is 9.23; 9.24 is under construction, and I'd say we're still a few weeks out on that; it's a huge upgrade compared to most that we do. it'll be a darn sight more reliable too. We do have a latest versions file on the company BBS – I'll try to remember to post it here, too. Poking me in a week or so would help, if it's not up by then. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#86719From: Charles HillJan 28, 1993 10:21 AM
Okay, that sounds good. The registration went out in this morning's mail, after I get a chance to play with it I'll get the latest upgrade. Yes, humidity is a killer. That's the biggest complaint most people (including me) have. As for variety…I've been seriously thinking about that. I've been looking at the Seattle, WA area as well as the Vermont/New Hampshire area but all my work is here. I've been to the beach 3 times in the last 5 years. It's not one of my priorities, either. RE: DevCon — the best part it the socializing with all the other people…that's the only thing I like enough to attend. The news, reviews & information can be acquired just as easily through other channels. -Chas
#86742From: Black Belt SystemsJan 28, 1993 4:46 PM
Socializing is fine by phone, for me… plus I get a lot more work done around here. I do talk to other Amiga developers almost daily. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#86801From: Don Curtis/SYSOPJan 29, 1993 12:57 AM
Ben, Like you, I'd rather be cold than hot. I can always put more clothes on, I can't always take more off <grin>. Don
#86828From: john bennettJan 29, 1993 9:57 AM
Come on Don, loosen up………:^)
#86896From: Black Belt SystemsJan 30, 1993 12:27 AM
Yep – absolutely. Ditto, you can always humidify a room, the other way is a bit more problematic. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#86893From: Michael SternbergJan 30, 1993 12:23 AM
wind chill is a state of mind m
#86932From: BILL LEACHJan 30, 1993 8:39 AM
??? You have not been in much -20F weather when the wind was blowing? -bill
#86692From: Betty Clay/SYSOPJan 27, 1993 11:50 PM
Charles, I'm here in Orlando, too. If you see me around, please say 'Hello.' Among other things, I'm trying to collect pictures of our CIS folk who are here and we hope to upload them to the libraries. And what was that about SUNNY Orlando? I've been wet and freezing ever since I got here. Lots of fun at the conference, though.
#86720From: Charles HillJan 28, 1993 10:23 AM
First rain we've had in a month! (Honest! 🙂 This week should be much better. 🙂 Actually, i never registered as a developer…I've just arranged to bump into lots of people outside the conference. Let me know if you've got some free time and I can swing down to the hotel (or elsewhere…it *is* my hometown.) -Chas
#86765From: Mike ToddJan 28, 1993 8:27 PM
Charles It'd be good to meet you if you're passing through the DevCon at some point. Betty and I are there with friends from the UK and also Jim Butterfield, and if we knew when you were about maybe we could say hello. Mike (not from the UK)
#86781From: Charles HillJan 28, 1993 9:44 PM
Unfortunatly, I am not a registered developer. <gasp!> I *have* developed stuff for some vertical markets (law enforcement, legal, etc.) but never sent CBM my $$$. As such, I can't officially attend the DevCon. Still, I think CBM doesn't have the $$ to rent out the entire Marriot World Center, so I'll make it a point to have lunch there on Friday. Hmmm…so you'll know me, I'll be wearing a bright blue baseball style cap from a local bar. Lunch about 12:30 in the afternoon. (Don't ask me which restaurant…one of them. 🙂 -Chas
#86819From: Mike ToddJan 29, 1993 6:49 AM
Okay, Charles … we'll look out for you. You'll be able to spot Betty and I … we'll both be wearing name badges 🙂 (I usually wear a white jacket and always carry a camera bag) Hope to see you later Mike
#86788From: Betty Clay/SYSOPJan 28, 1993 10:29 PM
Charles, I'm in the hallways outside the conference rooms between every session. Quite a few of us are. Please do drop by. Bill Eastburn is planning to drop by sometime tomorrow afternoon, I think (Friday afternoon). If you see me and I miss you, just yell at me. I'll be delighted to meet you. Betty
#86789From: Betty Clay/SYSOPJan 28, 1993 10:29 PM
Actually, Charles, I plan to be here most of next week as well. I'm at the Quality Inn, just down the street from the Marriott. If we miss each other at the DevCon, please call me at the hotel and we'll manage to get together. Betty
#86666From: TomKJan 27, 1993 8:57 PM
Rumor central says that it has to do with poor sales in Europe. Read into that what you may.
#86674From: Mike ToddJan 27, 1993 9:44 PM
Mmm … I'm actually at DevCon as I type (boy, it's been cold over here … but makes me feel like I'm back home in England 🙂 and I can't say there's been any mention of all this. I'll try and ask around tomorrow and see if anyone has heard anything. Mike (not from the UK this time)
#86686From: Black Belt SystemsJan 27, 1993 10:56 PM
I guess I'll wait until I find out who got hacked, if anyone, before I read anything into anything. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#86770From: Mark D. ManesJan 28, 1993 8:35 PM
I talked to a good friend of mine who was layed off in this cut. He tells me Engineering lost no one. Mostly marketing people were nuked. -mark=
#86803From: Clint Woeltjen@VRLIJan 29, 1993 1:03 AM
Mark: I didn't realize C= _had_ any marketing people. <ducking> Clint <VRLI>
#86892From: Wayne ColeJan 30, 1993 12:07 AM
YYYEEESSS!!! Now if they just aim a little higher they might clear up the rest of the problem! (Put on your tin pot, Irving… :^} (Actually, I hope they didn't ax any of the people behind the ads in non-amiga publications, lik AVVideo, sometohte MM pubs and I believe I saw one in Byte!?! wmc – via Autopilot!
#86951From: Richard BeausangJan 30, 1993 1:34 PM
I hope they axed the guy behind the stupid "Bob's Big Boy" or is it Betty Boop's boyfriend figure. Or are all Amiga users clowns? -Richard
#86895From: Black Belt SystemsJan 30, 1993 12:27 AM
Well, if that's accurate, I'll be just as pleased as punch. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#86922From: Mike SchillerJan 30, 1993 6:58 AM
Mark: Hopefully they're cutting out the dead wood so they can get a marketing staff that truly CAN! // -Mike Schiller \X/ AMIGA! On AutoPilot in sunny Fort Lauderdale
#86984From: Michael GerardJan 30, 1993 6:06 PM
Do you really think that, given an appropriate budget, that none of the previous marketing types would have been able to 'get the job done'? No question in my mind that it has nothing to do with the marketing department, but rather, what we perceive as the problem, (the direction and activities of the department) comes from the top.
#86936From: Jonathan SchmidtJan 30, 1993 10:05 AM
Hmmm… I wonder why? Could it be that they F—ed up with the 1200 again? There are a lot of problems there…
#86709From: BILL LEACHJan 28, 1993 5:20 AM
Ben; The CATs folks have been around but things are a bit tough when the bulk of the crew is out of town. -bill
#86741From: Black Belt SystemsJan 28, 1993 4:45 PM
Hm. Well, no answer today, either. Irks me quite a bit. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#86850From: Steve SetzerJan 29, 1993 7:22 PM
FWIW, I heard today from a reliable source that C= did indeed have major layoffs last Friday, and also that C= Germany, issued 200 pink slips this past Monday. :-\ …Steve ====>>> Motorola 68030 Inside <<<====
#86897From: Black Belt SystemsJan 30, 1993 12:27 AM
200, huh? Yowzer. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#86923From: Mike SchillerJan 30, 1993 6:59 AM
Ben: It could be as simple as somebody forgetting to turn on the answering machine, heck I've done that enough times here 🙂 // -Mike Schiller \X/ AMIGA! On AutoPilot in sunny Fort Lauderdale
#86953From: Black Belt SystemsJan 30, 1993 2:29 PM
Yep, it could. Someone responded to me in CBM's online support area and said that everyone is inded at Devcon, and that no one is manning the phones. They also said that no one from CATS or Engineering got axed. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#86926From: BILL LEACHJan 30, 1993 7:30 AM
I don't know Ben. You are leaving a message I presume? It seems like there are some things that CATs would still be doing even with all of the technical people at DevCon. -bill
#86954From: Black Belt SystemsJan 30, 1993 2:29 PM
The phone just rings and rings and rings – there is no way to leave a message. However, I got ahold of someone online and they say that they are all at DevCon and that all CATS and Eng. personell are intact. So it's not that they've been axed, it's just that they've abdicated the support role wholsale. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#87037From: BILL LEACHJan 31, 1993 10:32 AM
OK, well I guess that is good new even if its prolly not a good idea to completely clear the place out. -bill
#86700From: Mark D. ManesJan 28, 1993 12:44 AM
Charles, I heard the same thing–I felt it coming some time ago. I pray they left engineering alone. Our sales reps at Commodore survived. -mark=